to think Paul Smith of Carnage Event is a cunt

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So following the news coverage of one of his reps asking a girl to suck cocks to win a free 'Holiday', he has said that it was nothing to do with him and the girl was disgusting and badly brought up. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2687338/Carnage-boss-Magaluf-sex-act-party-blames-teens-upbringing-behaviour.html

Have a look at their Twitter feed: twitter.com/Carnagemagalluf they retweet 'What kind of person gives 24 bj's on holiday for a drink?! disgusting is an understatement @Carnagemagalluf #slag' and are basically totally gleeful about it until showing up to a press conference scared they might lose their licence and blaming the girl for doing exactly what she was told by them.

Totally agree with you Adam, if your still about.

I certainly did things when I was 18 I would even entertain doing now. The thought of having any of that filmed and viral on the internet would be deeply upsetting.

I really feel for her.

"I don't think there was much to do with actual sex in this whole circus anyway "

Yy to this.

Ask Basil's posts are great and I agree with signyourname too.

I don't think that having as much sex as you like, how you like is morally bankrupt. If this girl was enjoying herself sexually, brilliant.

I bet she wasn't though. If she was enjoying it, i bet it was the attention and sexual power she was getting. It's not like many women actually orgasm through giving twenty men a blow job is it?

And how sad that young women these days are taught that the best/only way of getting attention and power is by making themselves sexual objects.

mollypup I believe your exact words were

I think she is a tarty so and so! Ew.

which is the part of your post which the tabloid media agrees with. Are the 'guys' also tarty so and sos or are you just lying about not slut shaming?

captchaos

I stand by that.

The guys in this situation are a joke...but they're not the ones doing the erm sucking.

On the other hand, if I guy was doing something equivalent to 24 women, I'd think he was ew also, and someone i wouldn't associate myself with.

I get it, there isn't as many words that can be used towards males but that doesn't take away from the fact she is equally to blame.

Also, plantsitter, if she was enjoying herself sexually would that honestly make it ok for you? In her hotel room, great, in public, realllllly?!

*if a guy

I would never suggest that she didn't have agency. I would suggest looking at how much she was capable of making rational choices. However, please don't use slut shaming language and then deny you are slut shaming, it's disingenuous. The men, from what I've read were almost to a man involved. No one is slut shaming them though, because fellating someone in public = bad, being fellated in public = perfectly ok. Or rather, in your world.

Fellating men in public = bad
being fellated in public = also bad, but in no way as bad as the tarty so and so woman.

It's the difference in blame that is wrong.

It's not exactly "public" public though. Remember the context. They weren't doing this in a quiet country local or at the WI. It was a bar used by all the Magaluf 'pub crawl' companies - Carnage, Mayhem etc - where these kinds of sex-games-as-entertainment are pretty commonplace, from what I can gather. The 'audience' would be relatively self-selecting and would, I imagine, be mostly young people taking part in these infamous pub crawls who have been promised this sort of "action".

Molly you can call her a slut if you want, but this cunt Paul Smith has no right to set up a business based on encouraging lasciviousness and then when he gets it, say that his customers are sluts and their parents should be ashamed.

He is a piece of shit; if people want to say this is disgusting, or if they want to say its ok, then fair enough, but he put the girl up to it, and then called her a slut.

Using terms like "tarty" "slapper" "slag" etc. is defining a woman by her sexual behaviour and is slut-shaming.

HTH

Also this thing of choice. This argument man-pleasers always put forward to justify shitty behaviour and/ or exploitation by men. "She chose it, therefore their behaviour is irrelevant". What? What's the moral basis of that argument, since we're talking morals here? You put someone in a situation where you present them with a dubious choice and if they choose it, the fact that you put them there in the first place is irrelevant? I'm struggling to understand the basis of that as a moral position. It seems to me to be again, washing your hands of the need for all of us to behave decently, kindly and humanely to each other. If we don't and someone goes along with us in circumstances that they didn't choose, then their choice cancels out our shitty behaviour apparently. I don't buy that.

He is a piece of shit; if people want to say this is disgusting, or if they want to say its ok, then fair enough, but he put the girl up to it, and then called her a slut.

This. In spades.

Also these men broke the rules of these appalling places. (Yes, really, honour among thieves and all that, but these places do apparently have rules.) The rule being what goes on tour stays on tour. Even by their own woefully low moral standards, they didn't live up to them. You can bet your bottom dollar that if a bachelor party had been transgressing and the groom was shown being unfaithful, these bastard's code of dishonour would have meant that they wouldn't have leaked that video because they have empathy with other men but they think women are untermenschen.

And every time women go along with them and call each other slags and sluts and use all that other hatespeak about each other and buy into the shitty morality of these woman-haters, we are undermining our own humanity and strengthening their power-base. It's so self-defeating and self-hating because those men despise you and me as much as they despise this young girl.

Why is "doing the sucking" more shameful than being sucked, in your eyes, Molly?

YY, Darkesteyes, I really hope those reps who have indulged in sexual assault in the name of jolly japes are crapping themselves.

The most chilling account of rape that I've ever heard involved a holiday rep on one of these types of holidays. There's also at least 2 very clear episodes on this thread of reps being involved in sexual assault, plus the boys in the video who appear to be reluctant to take part in the blow job game.

The best outcome from this whole sordid mess would be that people who have been assaulted while on these holidays , both men and women, can see that its not just part and parcel of going away but its a crime that they can expect to have redress for.

I know it's too much to ask for, but wouldn't it be wonderful if this piece of shit could be prosecuted for some kind of 'living off immoral earnings' offence. Ditto the pricks present that night, inciting the behaviour. Get them on deception charges whilst we're at it.

It's horrendous.

I do agree with what someone up thread said about him not saying a thing about the parents of the males. Why do they get left out? Do you know what, if doing things in public, gang bangs etc are your thing, fine, I've heard of stuff to me that is weirder but the double standards is stupid. I'd feel a little embarassed if I was the mother to ANY of of the people involved, the males, the girl but especially the organizer of these events. I also feel sorry for her. Yes blah blah she consented etc etc but to have that plastered all over the internet at 18 is horrible. As I said, I had a few ONS in my early 20's and I am fine with that but I never had to deal with it being filmed and going viral for my parents to see. I'd have been absolutely humiliated. Poor girl.

I think she was in her 20s.

Anyway, if Paul Cuntychops facilitated or arranged sexual assaults, yes, he could be prosecuted. If he was the one pulling down the trousers of reluctant men, I think that would count.

SignYourName spot on. There is nothing inherently wrong in group sex in the circumstances you describe.

If she were my daughter I'd be very sorry; not wanting to trivialise the situation but to quote that song from Grease"there are worse things you could do"

The young woman doesn't appear that drunk and does appear to be a willing participant in the game, as do the young men.

If she is feeling humiliated, she'll get over it. She'll have to. We all do.

She's not a slut and they're not her victims. They are all victims of the person the OP nails in her post.

Nasty bastards like him make money by exploiting the vulnerable and other people within these tourist towns will be merrily cashing in too.

Some people prey on the elderly by pretending to spot loose roof tiles and escorting them to the cashpoint again and again. We think that's terrible.

But some people make lots of money taking teenagers on shitty pub crawls and mock them for being boring if they balk at sucking 24 dicks or diving off a boat after a bottle of gut-rot cava into shallow water and breaking their necks - which is what I saw on my first and only 18-30 holiday.

And do you know what? We didn't see those reps for dust while we waited for the ambulance. And if the ambulance crew and hospital reported it , the police and town council almost certainly did not bother following it up because they were too busy taking backhanders.

Meanwhile it's a traditional summer story.

oh limitedperiod that is horrific.

Those poor kids.

if Paul Cuntychops facilitated or arranged sexual assaults, yes, he could be prosecuted. If he was the one pulling down the trousers of reluctant men, I think that would count

BillnTedsMostFeministAdventure I'd be up for that, but it won't happen. Most of the powerful people locally will be supporting him. They won't go after him. The tragic thing is that we trash people like this young woman instead of them. But that's easier, isn't it?

The economy in Magaluf and various other similar places in southern Europe is entirely dependent on youth tourism and is very short - June to late August.

You can extend it if you have a club culture like Ibiza, which is very upmarket in parts - I think the closing parties there are late September/early October, but really it's quite nippy during the day time and boring as hell if you can't go to the beach so even the very expensive beach clubs close.

Same with the South of France which has an even shorter season. I suppose they probably take more money. I don't know.

I do know that however corrupt their local politicians are, they'd drum a git who wanted to organise drunken blow-job parties out of town on the first night.

limited that is horrific. Those poor young people must have been terrified.

And the reps just fucked off! Christ

This kind of stuff HAS to stop.

Darkesteyes He was hauled out of the water, no doubt creating more damage, and the reps told us we'd better have a whip-round because otherwise the ambulance wouldn't take him - this was Spain 1983. I don't know what the deal was. Maybe there was no reciprocal agreement about health care or maybe they were just ripping us off while someone was seriously injured.

So we did. Paramedics arrived and collected the money. He was transferred to a small boat, no doubt making his injuries worse, and taken a short journey to a beach, carried up that by stretcher to an ambulance and then to hospital.

The reps fucked off leaving a bunch of late teens and early 20-somethings on the boat with no way to get back home.

We were young adults and no doubt some people on this thread and in the wider commentary about the blow-job girl would say we should have taken responsibility for ourselves. And why not? After all, my own parents left school at 14, blah, blah, blah.

I agree. We did. His friends told me that he had a broken neck. I don't know what that meant for him because I was going home in less than a week and no one asked me any questions.

These companies want to take responsibility for people while they're milking them of cash but then they want to vanish when it gets bad.

If I had told my parents about it they'd have been horrified, btw. I didn't. In part because I felt silly and also because I felt it was normal

I guess that's what the blow job girl thinks.