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AIBU?

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To want one holiday where I don't feel like DP's "booby prize" to his "real" family?

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CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 13:27

I probably am but it's doing my head in. DP has been divorced around 4 years. We've been together around 2.5 years. Every holiday or weekend away we've been on he's whinged on about missing his kids - hear me out because I know that sounds bad.

His kids are 17 and 18 years old. They visit every Saturday (well, youngest one does, eldest tries to get out of it more these days and who can blame him? he's 18, who wants to be stuck with daddy every saturday night at 18?). Anyway, we first went away for a weekend about 3 months into the relationship and he went on about his kids and how he was missing them the entire time. Same again when we went away a few months later. I let it go but lets be honest, who wants to go away with someone who is constantly wishing they were with someone else? no matter who that someone else is. I felt awkward.

We went away after a year for two weeks with my kids on a two week holiday. His kids couldn't come although I would have been happy for them to come. Well for the entire two weeks he went on about how he was missing his kids, how he felt guilty that he was taking someone elses kids away and not his own, how his kids would have loved the things we were doing, how he so wishes his kids were there to enjoy it - yeah it's nice and noble that he thinks about his kids so much but there comes a point where you start to question why you're even there if the company he's with is so shit that he spends the entire time going on about his 'real' family.

We went away again a few months later, just me and him and again he spent the entire weekend going on about how he was missing his kids, how he felt guilty because this specific thing we were doing was something he used to do with his kids and ex wife, how he wishes his kids were there etc etc. I just felt so awkward and felt like I was second choice and if he had the option he'd have his old life back in a heartbeat.

We've just been away again (same place as it's a yearly event) and he did the same thing again. Going on about how his kids should be there because it was "their thing" and how he used to love taking them there and how he missed them etc etc. I snapped at this point, 2.5 years later I'm still being made to feel like the booby prize so I told him this. I told him the way he goes on makes me feel like I'm second choice and if his ex said to him "let's get back together and we'll take the kids away as a family like we used to" he'd do it without a second thought. He disagreed and apologised and said he's "trying" to get used to having a new family. But he doesn't treat me like family at all though, he's constantly pining for his "real" family. It does me in that everytime we go away I have to listen to this and then remember phOTOS Ive seen of him truely enjoying holidays with his real family and how happy and content he looked.

Anyway we're going away in 4 weeks for a big two week holiday. AIBU to wish that just for once, he would treat me as if I'm the one he actually wants to be there with?

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ExcuseTypos · 10/07/2014 13:56

He does sound like he's carrying around a lot of guilt and he needs to deal with it, it's like he's still in morning for his "lost" family.

However I wouldn't take him saying "I miss my kids, I wish they were here" as you being second best. I expect he wants you and his kids there? How do you respond when he says it? I'd be inclined to say something like "I'm sure you do, it would be lovely if they were here, but you've got me, so can we enjoy our holiday"

justiceofthePeas · 10/07/2014 13:58

Tell him to go on holiday with his kids on his wown.
He has clearly forgotten what it is actually like.
2 days max and I bet he'd be missing you.

ExcuseTypos · 10/07/2014 13:58

Sorry I x posted with you saying you walk on egg shells and he's "volatile"

He sounds not very nice at all. Get rid.

CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 14:00

That's what I said last time. He was going on about missing his kids and I said "well it would be nice if they were here but they're not so I'm hoping my company is good enough?". It just doesn't sink in with him or he gets all arsey and moody saying I have a problem with his kids etc. It's not that I have a problem with his kids - it's just that I like to enjoy MY holidays and not feel like I'm only there because his first choice isn't.

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GilbertBlytheWouldGetIt · 10/07/2014 14:01

Is he the Christmas grump? I remember pretty much the same thread around november time.

CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 14:02

Christmas Grump? no funnily enough he didn't really mention missing his kids over Christmas. We did have them boxing day though.

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middlings · 10/07/2014 14:03

Oh for pity's sake. He must drive his children mad! Does he go on like this to them too? It sounds to me like he's treating them like posessions that fit his ideal of what a perfect family is and not actually as people. If he did this to his ex too, no wonder she told him to sod off.

He sounds really selfish OP. Sorry......

(Good deal hunting though)

Vintagejazz · 10/07/2014 14:06

He's being very unfair to you and is also being a bit idealistic. If he was still with his ex his children are now at an age when they wouldn't want to be going on holidays with their parents anyway. And for the last few years were at an age where they would probably have spent a lot of the holiday whining about being 'bored' or missing some great party everyone's going to because they're stuck in 'boring Cornwall' or whatever.

MaryWestmacott · 10/07/2014 14:07

do you invite his DCs to come with you on holiday? Does that even occur to him? Does he take them away at any time?

You need to stop sugar coating it and have the row if need be.

If you're scared of his reaction being volatile, then sorry, you shouldn't have a man like that in your DCs lives.

Softysoftlycatchymonkey · 10/07/2014 14:07

Have you been straight with him? I mean really straight as in - " I'm honestly not letting myself and my kids go on holiday with you again if you continue to bring it down mooning about your adult children"

Tell him to enjoy the bloody holiday or not come at all.

I would have lost my patience with him long ago - and I bet your kids feel like shit too!

mumofthemonsters808 · 10/07/2014 14:07

I hate to say this, but it sounds like he is pinning for his old life. His biggest mistake is saying aloud what he is actually thinking. I'd have a frank discussion with him about whether he actually wants to be with you and ask him outright if you make him happy and there is a future for you both. By the sounds of things, the time he had with his family is fondly remembered (which makes a welcome change, from what I usually hear) and I don't think you can begrudge him his memories, but when his reminiscing starts to upset you it becomes a problem and you need to make him aware of that . This constant reference to his children, seems strange, surely they are independent and have friends who they would rather be with and he as an adult would understand that. It sounds like he feels uncomfortable being part of your family and has this perfect vision in his head of the ideal family he once had. I don't know why OP, but I just feel very sorry for him, it does not sound like he has heeled properly from his divorce.

CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 14:10

yeah I get the impression that his ex got sick of him dominating, especially where the kids are concerned. From what he's told me he did everything with them, made all the decisions regarding them etc and when they divorced she took ALOT of control back. Got her son into a school SHE wanted him in and made a point of telling DP that he had NO SAY on ANYTHING anymore. She was so controlling in my eyes that it was an obvious reaction to finally regaining control. Now she's really obsessive about access weekends, he has to pick them up at 5pm on the dot and return them at 5pm the next day. If he's late she goes off on one. She's recently told him that her eldest has the right to say whether he comes or not (which he has been doing for some time anyway) and now the youngest has decided that he might not want to come EVERY week. So DP said to her "right well if he doesnt come then you can compromise and let me have him for longer periods when he DOES come" so she snapped "no YOU dont get to dictate on that". It all sounds a bit like "ha, this is for the years of domination you forced on me!".

And yeah he is really over the top with the poor kids. When we got back from our recent weekend he instantly sent his kids messages saying "really missed you boys whilst I was away, see you at weekend, I love you" - ffs they're almost men. How embarrassing. The kids don't give a shit anyway, they seem glad of the break half the time.

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TheFirmament · 10/07/2014 14:13

Sounds like as he got divorced when they were a bit younger, they're still 12/13 in his head and he can't let go of he resentment at spending less time with them, or recognise that they are growing up. But the banging on about it would do my nut in and I don't like the sound of you having to tread on eggshells. Someone who bores on this much about one topic should be able to take being told "Please can you put a sock in it re your kids, I heard you the first 3,000 times" with a bit of good humour.

Agree you need to tell him, it hurts your feelings, it is annoying, and it is stupid as his kids are almost adults and don't want to be there. Ask him NOT to do it and explain that every day he does it will be a day you make plans to do something without him, unril he learns.

And if that doesn't go well, I would not be marrying this charmer.

APlaceOnTheCouch · 10/07/2014 14:14

Go away without him! Seriously, you'll enjoy it better. Tell him you think it's best he stays at home since he obviously doesn't enjoy breaks as he misses his dc's too much. It might make it sink in that he is spoiling your breaks with his constant comments.

(Is anyone else reading his texts in Pete Andre's voice? No, just me then Grin )

TheFirmament · 10/07/2014 14:15

It all sounds a bit like "ha, this is for the years of domination you forced on me!".

And maybe it is. Which should kind of set alarm bells shrieking for the person he's about to marry! I would be seriously reconsidering.

pluCaChange · 10/07/2014 14:16

Blimey, he sounds pretty horrible to everyone. Possessive about his first family, and ... insultingly not possessive enough about you and yours!

It doesn't sound as though you should be doing much wedding planning. Would he be all nostalgic on your honeymoon? Confused

MooncupGoddess · 10/07/2014 14:18

Ugh, he sounds horrid. Is he difficult day to day too?

Do you think that at some level he might be punishing you for his first wife leaving him...?

cindydog · 10/07/2014 14:19

YANBU . I am certain his 17 and 18 year olds would prefer Magaluf on their own.He is living in dreamland.

ninilegsintheair · 10/07/2014 14:25

He sounds like he's trying to play the part of Disney Dad to me except his kids are too old for it.

Itsfab · 10/07/2014 14:25

You are not in an equal relationship.

He will be the same this holiday. He won't change. Has no reason too.

He "INSISTS" you go there. Fine but you don't have to go with him.

What kind of father is he the rest of the time? Does he care for them properly the rest of the time? Does he spend time with them? etc

CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 14:27

Yes he's very difficult day to day. This big holiday we have coming up he wouldn't discuss until we'd been on our small, simple weekend away (a 4 hour drive as opposed to our upcoming 24 hour journey to the other side of the world) - and now he's got his knickers in a twist that the big one is only 4 weeks away and we've not organised anything. I said over and over again that we needed to crack on with it weeks ago but all he was concerned about was the fact that a) he was missing a night out the night before the holiday and b) we're not able to have his kids on the saturday so he'll have to kiss his ex's arse and beg to change the night to the Friday so HE doesn't miss out (hopefully the kids don't have plans that Friday night eh!). Last night I said to him that our wedding plans are do-able after I'd checked with work (we thought we may have to change our plans at one point). He reacted with "ok, good." I said "I bit of enthusiasm would have been nice there, I thought you'd be really pleased?" and he went off on one saying I was unreasonable and he'd done nothing wrong and he can't get overly excited about getting married as he's been married before. (Guess the first time was the real one eh? again, I'm just the booby prize marriage.)

It's annoying because I know that somewhere out there is a man who would WANT to marry me, a man who would WANT to holiday with me and a man who wanted me FIRST CHOICE. I mean, ffs I'm not exactly hidious or a shit option. Early 30s, good career, fit and healthy - so why am I made to feel like total shit? Because I'm not shit. I could be someones first choice.

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pluCaChange · 10/07/2014 14:29

"went off on one saying I was unreasonable and he'd done nothing wrong and he can't get overly excited about getting married as he's been married before. "

Oh, my GOD, that's outrageous!

Is the big trip your honeymoon?

wannabestressfree · 10/07/2014 14:29

To be honest if he couldn't give me a cast iron promise he wasn't going to do it OR got all huffy I would tell him I was going by myself!

MooncupGoddess · 10/07/2014 14:31

Why are you marrying him?

CrushingFfingCandy · 10/07/2014 14:31

No he's not even great with them when they are here. One of them is plonked on the computer, the other one up in his room with the guitars. He doesn't actually spend time with them. Last weekend just the youngest came. My kids were at their dads and I was at work all Sunday so I thought "aww good, DP gets DSS2 all to himself all day!". I got home Sunday night and asked what they'd been upto. He said "Oh the weather was nice so I got on with the decking outside all day, I got loads of it done, come and see!" - Confused and DSS? "well, he just wanted to watch TV."

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