to think that 'modesty shorts' are going to lead to trouble

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A hypothetical young woman isn't wearing any under a shortish skirt. She goes out and is sexually assaulted. The defense know this. She is then considered to have 'asked for it' just as women used to be (I hope it is used to be) because she chose to be 'provocative' by not wearing the modesty shorts that have become a standard item for females wearing dresses and skirts.

I have a son so I was quite surprised when I heard of modesty shorts. apart from in school I can't see much of a reason for girls to wear them really.

Gym knickers! I never wore them after a certain, very self-conscious teenage point had passed in secondary school, am mid twenties now and haven't heard of anyone my age wearing them recently.

I wear very small underwear under my skirts. I like the freedom and dislike the lines. If anyone suggested I deserved to be raped for that reason they would receive very short thrift.

I would not recommend cycle shorts under a school skirt however, particularly in summer. Thrush like you couldn't imagine. [repressed memory]

When I see the school uniforms of the schools round here I think they are a necessity! These secondary school dresses are so short you could see the girls bums and pants even with a slight bend over to pick something up, so so short!

I've never heard of modesty shorts. I have seen girls wear black spandex bicycle-type shorts under very short cutoff denim shorts, but I think that's just a style thing.

I'm currently wearing a short dress over fitness type shorts which come just past my knee. That's because I have an eclectic no dress sense.

If I want to flash my thighs in public I bloody well do, and no-one's opinions would stop me. Burkas are not compulsory here thank fuck.

I saw an older woman the other day in a summer dress with her legs out, veins and all, and I thought 'good on you missus'. She walked confidently and seemed at ease and she bloody well should be.

Nobody is too anything to not feel the sun on their legs, men included. Although I draw the line at socks in sandals if you're over ten .

Single: she wears shorts to school. Or trousers in winter. Skirts only for a special occasion like a concert. She might wear a dress out of school, but puts leggings on with them - most of the time it's leggings or shorts, no dress. This is just the choice she has developed: it is partly to do with not wanting her bottom hanging out when she handstands - and partly to do with all the unnecessary fabric dresses entail. It's a practical choice. If she actually wanted a dress but some modesty garment as well, we would be having a chat...

I like skorts worn for things like netball

I have no problem with cycling shorts being worn under a dress should the child choose (appreciate this differs due to age of child)

I have a big problem with them being called modesty shorts, not sure how to write why but gym shorts or pants or something similar wouldn't cheese me off so much

""Apart from anything else modesty shorts are not a standard item""
""no one wears these, no one has heard of them this is a NON ISSUE""

I'm in Liverpool, my teen DD's wear TOWIE (but with a Liverpool twist) type outfits to go to Dance Festivals (they wear play suits as well).

The little dresses that they and their friends wear are just about Arse skimming, they wear this type outfit around the world (wherever there is a Electric Dance Event).

Modesty shorts are a standard item, but they aren't called that, they are "boy short" type knickers in Lycra.

Primark has them, so do most shops, it's just because you aren't looking for them, or wearing TuTu type skirts, think Burlesque knickers.

They let you wear sanitary protection, without fear (bearing in mind you are dancing and drinking etc) and they mean you don't have to sit "like a lady", or be arsed about hair removal etc.

They certainly are not for modesty, my DD's and their friends aren't usually wearing bras and the dress has very little fabric.

The not wearing of them could never be seen as contributing to an assault, very little clothing is stand and festival/holiday wear.

Primark also does a set of nipple stickers (and tape), they stay on well, they are handy if your dress is pale and your nipples dark.

That's something else you probably wouldn't spot unless you are looking for them.

It is standard festival kit.

They are to prevent cub rub aren't they, not rape?
Jesus!!

I've worn lycra shorts & leggings under skirts for 20 yrs. (Big I should turn out to be a trend setter].

I believe that the legal system is more sophisticated & balanced than OP suggests. If not, then we have much bigger problems to worry about then this single issue.

Birds: wearing it like that, I get.

I remember going to Pride 20-odd years ago and seeing a gorgeous young woman wearing a diaphanous virtually-seethrough dress which barely covered her arse. No knickers. It gave me quite a jolt, as she was gorgeous - and you could pretty much see all of her, depending on the breeze... Never forgotten her. Can't imagine her moving as unhassled through a heterosexual environment though, then or now...

What the hell is cub rub btw??

I read the OP more as "Is this something defence barristers will use as a stick to beat victims with?" rather than suggesting it should be standard attire.

I wear these to stop chub rub. If I heard a young woman was assaulted and wasn't wearing them, the only assumption I'd make is that she was slim enough to not need them.

I have literally never heard of modesty shorts. I occasionally wear some shaper-type shorts under a floaty dress to make it hang better but that's it.

I thought the days of blaming a victim of sexual assault for their attire were long over.

""Can't imagine her moving as unhassled through a heterosexual environment though, then or now..""

My middle DD (now 19) has been going to events, with my eldest (29), since she was 16, my eldest from the same age.

They all go wearing next to nothing, it's accepted wear, they mix with people from all over the world, some just in jeans/t shirts, cultures vary.

They aren't treated differently or badly because of how they are dressed and there is a sense of community amongst regulars, they want the atmosphere and safety/freedom to stay as it is, so look out for each other.

They get more hassle completely covered up in normal clothes, having a meal in Pubs etc.

All it takes is an entitled arse-hole for an incident/assault to happen.

Our school won't let the girls do handstands etc unless wearing shorts under their summer dresses.

And the drama group are now insisting on them all the time too.

Rainbow how absolutely ridiculous of your friend.

My teen dds hooted with laughter at being made to wear shorts under skirts.

How hot and uncomfortable.

Women should dress how they like and it's fuck all to do with anyone else.

SEmyarse - I don't understand a school taking this approach at all. If they have an issue with girls wearing skirts then surely the sensible response is to adopt a unisex school uniform where all the children wear shorts or trousers. Not insist that girls bodies/modesty have to be protected by special uniform rules.

Ah yes birds have seen those but never occurred to me to call them
Modesty shorts. Horrible name.

My dance teacher (ballroom and Latin) used to have Indian students come over to study with her, many of the female students would wear cycling shorts under their dresses as they considered it inappropriate to flash the tops of their thighs. However some of the moves they were exhibiting on the dance floor, particularly in Rumba, were far more erotic than a spot of thigh flashing!

Are they banning patent shoes as well. Because we know what boys do when girls wear them?

The converse 'argument' would be the assailant intended to rape if they wore clothes which they could get off easily eg jeans etc. It doesn't show intent. However, was there not something written by a judge in England recently to the effect someone was wearing a certain type of underwear so was not 'up for it'. I'll try to find it.

I can't remember if it was a rape case or a sexual assault case.

I'm also horrified that these things are sold in Asda!

if you are wearing a skirt, put some knickers on. If the knickers are so skimpy that you need hair removal, you might want to buy knickers not dental floss.

knickers showing doesn't matter. Our society doesn't like genitalia displayed, but covering them with knickers while schoolgirls do playground cartwheels is enough.

anyone with a brain knows that none of this is an excuse for assault.