to think that 'modesty shorts' are going to lead to trouble

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A hypothetical young woman isn't wearing any under a shortish skirt. She goes out and is sexually assaulted. The defense know this. She is then considered to have 'asked for it' just as women used to be (I hope it is used to be) because she chose to be 'provocative' by not wearing the modesty shorts that have become a standard item for females wearing dresses and skirts.

I have a son so I was quite surprised when I heard of modesty shorts. apart from in school I can't see much of a reason for girls to wear them really.

I have never heard of modesty shorts. Does other women really wear something other than pants under their dresses? And what ludicrous suggestion that just because I don't wear shorts I'm asking to be raped? You might as well say we should be covered head to toe?

I wear shorts under dresses to avoid my thighs rubbing together, but I'm 45 and my dresses at below my knees, so modesty doesn't come into it.

Clearly no man should assault a women, even if she walks down the street stark naked.

If you genuinely believe that, OP, then as the mother of a son it's up to you to teach him to respect a woman's autonomy over her own body, that the clothing she wears is NOT a symbol of her sexual availability or otherwise, and that "no" means "no". And I suggest you encourage your friends with sons to do the same. That will be far more effective and beneficial than focusing on the clothing choices of the female half of the population.

Navy knickers! They live! They live!!

Never heard of them.
Never seen anyone wearing them.

Never heard of them.
Don't think women around here wear them.
Some skirts are shortish and on the train when sitting there is a lot of thigh knocking around.

So there's that.

On your other point. If a woman is assaulted, and she encounters victim-blamey types, it won't make any difference what she was wearing or doing or anything, they will find something to make it her fault.

givehim that's precisely my point about victim blaming.

They're gym knickers! We used to wear them under gym slips!!
They're just shorts. DD wear shorts under her skirts at the weekends if she chooses to.

Signyou my son will certainly/is certainly learning that.

I ask because that line of argument would so get nowhere in an English court today.

Nor would it in an American one, at least not the jurisdictions I am familiar with.

I think that the people mostly wearing modesty shorts are primary-aged girls whose parents worry about boys seeing their knickers if they sit cross-legged or do cartwheels.

I've never come across an actual grown woman in the UK who wears them.

Ive not heard of modesty shorts but I do remember wearing footie type shorts under our skirts at school. Obviously our skirts werent that fitted so they didnt show. It seemed to come in the last few years - never really thought about it until this thread. I dont think the lads at my school were serial gropers, probably just a wierd trend more than anything!

If young girls want to be active (cartwheeling, hand-standing, tree climbing etc) and not show their knickers, why aren't they choosing to just wear school shorts, like the boys? That's what my daughter does. Dresses were just holding her back.

thecageisfull is that what it is? To wear under school dresses by primary school girls who are self conscious? Well the problem then is with stupid school uniforms. I don't like flashing my knickers so I will never wear dresses or skirts when I have to climb up and down ladders or desks. That's why I wear trousers more during the day. It is just schools are such a throw back to girls being nice and quiet and should sit properly. They aren't proper clothes to wear for playing and climbing.

There have been a few threads recently about girls at primary school wearing shorts under dresses, one where yr 3 girls were TOLD by staff to put shorts on under dresses as the boys were being silly about seeing the girls knickers when playing ie doing handstands and cartwheels.

They are becoming a thing and are popular in some parts of the US, you can buy skirts with them attached, skorts.

Anyway if girls want to wear them fine, they tend to get to an age (as do boys) that they want to cover up/are a bit more self conscious. Bit presenting them as a 'modesty' item ans something girl's should/must wear is wrong, all part of the victim blaming culture.

I don't get why they have to be sold as modesty shorts.

They are just leggings or cycling shorts.

I've never heard of modesty shorts.

I've thought of wearing tiny shorts under my skirts to prevent thigh rub. Never seen them on sale for any advertised reason or with specific name.

BUT in the hypothetical batshit situation that a man were to rape a woman using the defense that she didn't wear modesty shorts and was therefore consenting... surely the intent to rape was already there, as he'd only find out she didn't have her special chastity belt modesty shorts on after he'd sexually assaulted her by groping under her skirts?

Making the girls wear shorts instead of telling the boys not to be stupid would have made me very angry. Totally the wrong message to give young DCs.

Apart from being utterly ridiculous as they see each other in swimming clothes several times a week in a good summer,

DD has some culottes for school that look a bit like a skirt, they are fab.

Just as an aside

I, as a PP has stated, could walk naked down the High Street before bounding into cartwheels that land in the splits with my fango on show before the entire world if I so desired.

None of the above would mean any sexual assault would be anything other than sexual assault.

Rape is - as PP - about power and fuck all to do with clothing choices. And no amount of shaming young women into wearing 'modesty shorts' will ever change it.

Modesty shorts make me want to go about naked.

A skort is a pair of shorts with a panel across the front that makes it look like a skirt. They have been around for a long time but as a style thing not a modesty thing. They were first popularized in the US by women golfers.

dd doesn't like wearing shorts. All the girls at her school wear gingham summer dresses and she is a very girly girl. She wears boy short knickers to stop the boys taking the piss but the school took a 'boys will be boys' attitude until I put a rocket up their arses but by then she was aleady self conscious. I don't want her to have to wear shorts (modesty or normal) to stop boys making comments to her. My nieces school (not UK) has modesty shorts on the actual uniform and girls have to wear them. i would rather she told the boys to fuck off but she isn't me.

Guy at work wears some very short shorts. Can I just jump on him then?

The "modesty" tag is appalling.

And what Elephants said.