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To ask your views :- Is being a mum a job.

236 replies

ICanSeeTheSun · 03/07/2014 19:05

I can not decide if being a mum is a job.

I do see this a lot on Facebook, under employment is full time mummy.

Aibu to think if a mum is a job I want my employment rights, such as 21 day holiday.

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Jinsei · 06/07/2014 13:20
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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 13:31

As thread illustrates everyone does parenting to different standard,own preference
A job is the imposition of standards,an external expectation of competency,scrutiny
Housewifery is undertaking tasks to own standard.its not a job.at all

SirChenjin · 06/07/2014 14:41

Silly - I presume you are talking about both parents working. Its work ie paid jobs which enable one parent to stay at home. Whether you measure the value of jobs in terms of material goods , basic necessities, life enrichment or enabling one parent to stay at home there is no such thing as a valueless job. Some of us even manage to have a job AND raise amazing children.

Philoslothy · 06/07/2014 15:01

I have no job at the moment and am raising fairly average children.

80sMum · 06/07/2014 15:04

Being a mother isn't a job it's a state of being. However, childcare is a job - and if you didn't do it, you would have to pay someone to do it for you. Likewise, cleaning and housework.
Usually, women who look after their own children in the home are also doing most (if not all) of the cleaning, cooking, shopping etc. Those would all be 'jobs' if someone outside the family was being paid to do them.

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:10

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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 15:11

No.A housewife undertakes domestic tasks.done to own time,standard.not a job
Same tasks if Externally undertaken there is an expected standard,time frame of completion
Me loading the washing machine isn't a job,it's a task.

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:16

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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 15:23

The tasks,the dynamics and rapport in a family are worthwhile,they're not a job though
One cannot equate the tasks and emotional input of raising family to job.not comparable
Folk over simplify this.they argue that cm watches kids,it's employed.so watching own kid is same as cm

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:33

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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 15:36

Job is colloquialism for employment,doing your own chores isn't employment
Semantics about what the chores,jobs are called doesn't render motherhood a job
Motherhood isn't a job

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:40

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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 15:41

And what is your point exactly?

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:42

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LucyStafford · 06/07/2014 15:45

No it doesn't matter imo.

Work or don't work. A happy family matters.

scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 15:46

You've had to veer off a a big auld tangent to try make this vaguely significant
Frankly if a mother wants to award herself JD and title MD of the Persil tabs,good for her
Still doesn't make being a mum a job

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 15:53

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scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 16:01

I'm not the lone voice saying motherhood is not employment.no one class it so
govt doesn't motherhood = employment.social think tanks don't?it's irrefutable
If it were employment it'd be subject to regulation,inspection,and liable for tax and NI

I fear the only blue face,is yours as you vigorously protest motherhood is a job

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 16:11

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fifi669 · 06/07/2014 16:12

It's a lifestyle choice. Not a job.

scottishmummy · 06/07/2014 16:13

Census doesn't record motherhood as job.its not a job.theres no societal recognition of it as job
Quite simply if one were to persist and define self as employed,because mother.they'd be v deluded
Socially,and politically motherhood isn't regarded as employment.objective fact

Sillylass79 · 06/07/2014 16:19

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Jinsei · 06/07/2014 16:38

Actually, I agree. If some people want to call it a job, it doesn't really matter. I don't agree with them, but it really isn't that important...

windchime · 06/07/2014 16:40

It's not a job when you can snack/sleep/watch tv when you feel like it!

madwomanbackintheattic · 06/07/2014 16:47

It matters because people have different value systems. If you believe that what you are doing as a ft sahm is worthwhile, and everyone else in the country values ft 'employment', then of course you are going to equate it to the same thing - after all, you spend as many hours doing it, (actually more) and it is as hard (or you perceive it is), and as 'valuable', as what people are doing that are paid for their roles....

Is being a dad a job?

I hate this continued emphasis on women though. Can we not just ask 'is being a parent a job?' Interestingly, I suspect even more people would say 'no' to that. Which begs the question why do some people believe it is a suitable substitution for employment for a woman, but not a man... (Pure conjecture, obv.)

I work ft btw, and have never referred to my periods as a sahm as a 'job', despite officially being a carer in the eyes of the govt for much of them.