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AIBU to expect a Mother of older teens to go out and worK?

239 replies

doglover17 · 30/06/2014 11:27

One child well into their teens, walks to school. Shared 50/50 care with Father (ex). Lives off child maintenance, spousal, tax credits and child benefits. Has had a few part time jobs in the past but never sticks at them. Now declares they should not have to work. Is it unreasonable to expect them to find more independence through finding employment? If so why? And outside of this scenario, what sort of case would make it unreasonable?

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Sillylass79 · 30/06/2014 12:41

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Birdsgottafly · 30/06/2014 12:45

I live in a hight unem

KirjavaTheCat · 30/06/2014 12:46

What does your partner think about supporting her?

YouMakeMeHappy · 30/06/2014 12:46

I don't get how there is another perspective than YANBU. To me, this woman is entirely pointless at best. I'm extra angry since they stopped child benefit. We have three children and may have three more

Birdsgottafly · 30/06/2014 12:49

Sorry, I live in a high unemployment area, Liverpool.

So imagining the "choice to work" is difficult, because people that I know are desperate to work.

If a parent is bringing their child up well and is happy to remain not in paid employment, then to my way of thinking they are leaving a job opening for someone who is desperate for work.

We have non parents, people over 50, younger people chasing the only jobs available, en masse, yet remaining unemployed (and sometimes needing Anti Ds/Couselling because of their situati

StealthPolarBear · 30/06/2014 12:51

" NigellasDealerMon 30-Jun-14 12:07:15

but if she were working she would still have to be supported by the state - can people not grasp this?
what's the difference?"

Not necessarily surely??

Birdsgottafly · 30/06/2014 12:51

FFS.

Because of their situation.

If you are a Carer and doing it well and are happy to be unemployed, the benefit system should exist for you and you shouldn't be judged for choosing that path, IMO.

It is different than planning a life on benefits, which many single people do, yet benefit no-one around them.

ADishBestEatenCold · 30/06/2014 12:52

Glad you are still here, doglover17.

"For what it's worth, yes you can claim child tax credits if unemployed but I am personally less interested in the nitty gritty more the bigger picture and peoples view"

I don't know about other posters, but I do find it very difficult to give a considered opinion, based on the very small amount of information you have given. Even within the criteria of the few facts we have, circumstances could vary widely.

For example, the woman in question could be the mother of only the one child (that you mention in your OP), she could have been divorced from her ex husband for 12 years, have several thoroughly marketable qualifications to work and previous work experience, yet be actually choosing to live on her ex husbands contributions.

Or, she could be the mother of several children (you suggest more than one child in your thread title ), a fairly recent single parent, perhaps separated from her ex husband just in the last year or so, with no marketable qualifications to work or previous work experience. She could, in fact, be reeling.

In the former case, I could definitely see your point of view (well, the point of view you've suggested through your questioning of us, but not actually given Wink).

In the latter case, I would say (if we are talking about the ex of your partner) for goodness sake, suck it up and give the poor woman a break ... you knew what you were getting into!

Of course, these are two quite extreme scenarios I've painted here, there could be dozens of different and conflicting sets of circumstances, but do you see why I find it difficult to give a considered opinion, based on the amount of information you have given?

I've asked before, but is there some sort of back story and, if so, do you feel able to give us some more details upon which to base our opinions?

SaucyJack · 30/06/2014 12:57

" To me, this woman is entirely pointless at best. I'm extra angry since they stopped child benefit. We have three children and may have three more "

Have I missed the joke? You are annoyed because you can't get the taxpayer to pay for you to have SIX children and yet you feel entitled to comment on anybody else not paying their own way in life.

Glass houses. Stones. Yadda yadda.

LineRunner · 30/06/2014 12:59

Apparently a single parent typically has to earn over £27,000 to be able to eschew state support, much more in London.

YouMakeMeHappy · 30/06/2014 12:59

My husband paid twenty five thousand in tax one year. When we got child benefit it meant we got a little bit back.

teaandthorazine · 30/06/2014 13:07

nothing inherently moral about work

This. Although I'd clarify 'paid work'.

I loathe this idea that you can only possibly be contributing to society (in a micro or macro sense) if you are getting a pay packet every week/month.

And god forbid you should ever 'take out' if you can't also be seen to be 'putting back' right there and then.

And I say this as a full-time working single parent who doesn't claim anything but child benefit, and who frankly would love more time to spend at home. But that's my choice, and I couldn't care less what decisions other people make about their own lives.

doglover17 · 30/06/2014 13:12

More the former scenario ADishBestEatenCold, in that there is one child, total and the Mother does have marketable skills. The child care schedule is one week with the father and one week with the Mother and so on... The father works from home. Not sure if the last bit is relevant or not!

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diddl · 30/06/2014 13:13

How has she managed to get spousal maintenance with 50/50 care & until the child is in teens?

doglover17 · 30/06/2014 13:16

Private arrangement diddl and not through the Courts.

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EarthWindFire · 30/06/2014 13:17

How has she managed to get spousal maintenance with 50/50 care & until the child is in teens?

Depends on the income of the ex husband and when they split up. Spousal maintenance in different to child maintenance in the fact that it is for the ex rather than the children. SM is usually time limited so will be for a set amount if time, sometimes until the children reach 18 or for a few years after divorce to allow the receiver to adjust to the new life.

doglover17 · 30/06/2014 13:18

The payment of spousal maintenance has been requested to last a lifetime or until death or remarriage (mother only and not the father).

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EarthWindFire · 30/06/2014 13:20

This can be private arrangements or court ordered.

ChelsyHandy · 30/06/2014 13:20

sanfairyannenothing inherently moral about work

I think there is something very moral about work ie if you can, you provide for yourself and those who depend on you.

If you have large swathes of the population who think there is nothing wrong with not working when they can but simply choose not to, then obviously that country isn't going to have a very healthy economy.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 30/06/2014 13:21

She definitely needs a job - with negotiation skills like that she could go far.

Spousal maintenance to last a lifetime Shock

Owllady · 30/06/2014 13:23

It's hardly a choice to be a carer birdsgottofly
Most carers cannot work outside the home because of the degree of their caring duties

diddl · 30/06/2014 13:25

"Private arrangement diddl and not through the Courts."

Well then I guess it's up to the pair of them!

More fool him!

ChelsyHandy · 30/06/2014 13:25

Oh right, its a private arrangement. "Spousal maintenance" is quite a formal term which is why I thought it must be a court order.

If she has an ex who is stupid enough to keep paying for her then I suppose its a source of private income in a way. The problems arise if he suddenly stops or dies or becomes unable to pay, and she is left with little or no track record in employment.

Perhaps then though her child could take over the burden of paying for her lifestyle?

aintnothinbutagstring · 30/06/2014 13:26

If its a private arrangement, should you not be raising the issue with your DP if you don't agree with it. The employment issue is neither here nor there, she could go back to work and still your DP CHOOSES to pay her just as much.

STOPwiththehahaheheloling · 30/06/2014 13:28

The payment of spousal maintenance has been requested to last a lifetime or until death or remarriage (mother only and not the father).

Has been requested- but did he agree to it? If he did then it's his choice. He didnt have to agree.

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