To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

[MrsWinnibago]

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

I think people should be careful if following any of the links on these threads.

I went from link to link and somehow ended on a blog by or about Mary Moss just now. She photocopied a lot of documents about the Elms. I was looking at the docs and refused a link which popped up, and ENDED UP ON A DODGY SITE.

I clicked our sharp use but do be careful. Maybe done of these sites have been set up in some way?

Need to go out - neighbour just knocked- but will come back

Sharpish!

Hakluyt no, it's fine, they aren't painful memories.

Obviously not pleasant ones either, but it doesn't feel like something bad happened to me, rather that I had a lucky escape from something worse happening, perhaps in part because my instincts had picked up on his behaviour to others before he turned it towards me.

I did read the other day about that Australian DJ who says Rolf Harris groped her. Her DJ partner on the show didn't want RH to be interviewed by her as he believed he was a dirty old man. She dismissed his claims and insisted they interview him and then she says he groped her as they posed for a photograph.

I'd be interested to read the other DJ's side and find out why he claimed RH was dirty, whether he claims that was instinct, prejudice, rumours or some kind of personal experience of RH doing it to someone else before.

I put a lot of faith in gut instinct, married with an observation of facts. I think it's possible that people who claim an instinctive aversion to Savile on screen were on some level picking up on the fact that he was groping girls live on camera, whilst making eye contact with the public. I don't think anyone has yet suggested that Rolf committed offences live on screen whilst didging and doodling.

There was a thread on here a while ago where people discussed whether one were more likely to have sensitive antennae if one had an abusive childhood. Amongst other offences, my mother was an alcoholic and my well-being partly depended on reading an atmosphere when I came through the door. I think part of the reason I fucking hate clowns is because their facial expressions are obscured. A friend whose father was a heroin addict found that her instincts served her well when managing pubs, in terms of identifying who was most likely to kick off.

I think if you have a gut instinct that someone is unsavoury, then you should trust it.

It's true that people who appear to be pleasant and charming can turn out to be nasty pieces of work. But how likely is it that someone who appears to be a nasty piece of work is going to turn out to be truly delightful?

I'd always go with gut instinct.

I was always uneasy about MIL's second husband. No obvious reason. Just was even to the point of mentioning it to DM and DH who dismissed it.

We found out he'd been abusing dd on summer holiday visits over several years after he attacked another GC who did disclose.

I don't think I shall ever forgive myself for letting her go, still less MIL who knew there had been question marks over him in the past and didn't tell us.

• But how likely is it that someone who appears to be a nasty piece of work is going to turn out to be truly delightful?

i think literature has taught us many times that the grumpy git is actually lovely, Mr Darcey, Mr Rochester, etc

I think real life has also taught us that the "weirdo" may turn out to be entirely innocent. Colin Stagg and Stefan Kiszko for example.

Colin Stagg at least got compensation and a chance to pick up his life. Stefan Kiszko's case is truly tragic.

innocent.org.uk/cases/stefankiszko/index.html

Get rid of the art if it promotes pedophilia in an overt or subliminal way perhaps?. ( have a good look at Gil Sans statue and ask yourself if this is just great art or.....a bit out-of-the ordinary to have a man standing exposing a child's genitalia) And William Mayne's books are very subtle grooming tools to draw girls to him and then convince them that being naked with other people or keeping secrets from your parents is OK. And perhaps get rid of the art if it enriches the pedophile and enables them to continue with their behaviour??. I don't know the answer, I just know that as one of the girls who was groomed by William Mayne on the 1970s I felt physically sick whenever I saw his work in a bookshop or extolled in a library - as if the experience of his victims was not relevant to bystanders. If you had a piece of artwork by Rolf Hariis - just a landscape say, and you also had a friend who had been assaulted by him, would you leave the work up and expect her to dissociate herself from the picture on your wall? Or would you, out of respect for your friend, the victim, take it down or destroy it?