To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

[MrsWinnibago]

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

Yy Mimsy It was the way Kneales play mentioned reality tv that made me shudder.

We now have plenty of it including those bloody awful benefit bashing programmes.

I posted about the JD connection. I would just like to add that I did not gather that information from the David Icke forums, or any other 'tin foil hat' website. I heard it from someone who used to work in TV and I heard it years ago, before all this came out.

Also, I think it is disgusting to suggest that I got it from Stormfront. I definitely did not get it from there, and I have never visited that website!

You can say Jill Dando, you know.

And yes, I'm sure you knew all about it long before the rest of us did. Well done you.

Rolf Harris has been found guilty of 12 charges.

Are we now inviting MNers to point out that their parents would not let them watch dear Rolf's art programmes?

nokids I wasn't suggesting you got your info from storm front - so wind your neck in. You went down the 'bloke in the pub/ a mate of a mate told me' route.

I merely stated that they, along with David Icke and a bunch of anti semitic nutcases are into crackpot Jill Dando conspiracy theories.

• I heard it from someone who used to work in TV and I heard it years ago, before all this came out

• You went down the 'bloke in the pub/ a mate of a mate told me' route No she didnt, she said something and thats the spin you put on it.

No it is exactly what has happened. A friend' who works in TV ' has passed onaan unsubstantiated story they've been told. Ergo she got it from a mate of a mate. So by the time it has reached these boards it is fourth hand gossip at least.

Unless the 'friend in tv' has seen documentary evidence that Jill Dando was taken out by government assassins by israeli secret service mole Cliff Richard, his lover Tony Blair and a paedophile ring involving every major public figure of the last 20 years.

So. How were people's mums' pervdar about Pet Rescue?

"I used to get a funny shiver down my spine whenever Rolf on Art was on- I just knew there as something not quite right about him".........

@Haklyut I wasn't saying that I knew about it to get any kind of recognition or applause. I said it because people were specifically asking why nobody at the BBC reported it. People asked for my source, so I gave them it. I am not asking for a 'well done'.

@Composhat You mentioned Stormfront and I found that distasteful. I had every right to defend myself.

The point of me mentioning JD was purely because people were asking about earlier events at the BBC.

No Hakluyt you can huff and puff as much as you like about people re-writing history. I couldn't stand Savile. I thought he was a creep and lowest -common denominator shows like Jim'll Fix It were not my bag. Oddly seems to have been a view shared by and one of the few things my mother and mil had in common too.

On the other hand, whilst I found Rolf Harris dull as an entertainer and overly mawkish on Animal Hospital I didn't find him in the least bit creepy or repulsive in the way Savile was.

@Composhat You mentioned Stormfront and I found that distasteful. I had every right to defend myself.

Oh for goodness sake I did not, repeat NOT accuse you of getting your ideas from Stormfront. I am sorry if the mere mention of the website brings on a fit of the vapours. But for someone who is quite happy to casually chuck around allegations of other people being involved in murder and paedophilia you appear peculiarly sensitive on this topic.

What do you suggest? Destroy all Eric Gill's work?

The revelations about Gill's private life were only revealed about 25 years ago, long after his death and the statie's creation. If you propose to destroy art based on the moral failings of its creator you would have to eipe out a huge portion of the canon of western art and literature.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Gill

Not so sure about Gill. He seems to have been an odious hypocrite as well. Much of his art is very publicly on display in open places/on the front of buildings whereas one can usually avoid having to look at /read/listen to works by other repellent people.

Well, if being an odious hypocrite is a criterion for not displaying an artist's work.......

I also think this quote from his biographer is bollocks of the highest order.

"After the initial shock, [...] as Gill's history of adulteries, incest, and experimental connection with his dog became public knowledge in the late 1980s, the consequent reassessment of his life and art left his artistic reputation strengthened. Gill emerged as one of the twentieth century's strangest and most original controversialists, a sometimes infuriating, always arresting spokesman for man's continuing need of God in an increasingly materialistic civilization, and for intellectual vigour in an age of encroaching triviality.[2]"

Of course it's bollocks and he was an odious individual with no redeeming features. Does that mean his art should be destroyed?

I think his hypocrisy devalues any spiritual element of his work , much of which was founded , apparently, on his strong religious convictions.

Right so any piece of sculpture or art that has been nade by someone with an unsavoury private life should be destroyed?

That ia utterly crazy. You do realise that a good portion of renaissance art was funded by the Borgias, that Percy Shelley and Lord Byron's private lives were as problematic as Gill's?

Hakluyt try reading what I said. I didn't say anything about destroying it. My objection to it is much of it is on open public display on the outside of public buildings. Roman Polanski and Woody Allen are frequently mentioned on here. Many posters have understandably said they will not go to see their films. I wouldn't and I wouldn't go to an exhibition of Gill's .

I think the work displayed on public buildings should be removed.