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To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

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MrsWinnibago · 26/06/2014 13:33

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

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Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 21:45

I didn't contemplate a celebrity being a predatory paedophile so he never crossed my radar. I don't feel judge by those who did.
I do however feel slightly irritated by those feeling an unecessary and self congratulatory need to emphasise how they spotted him.

As if that helps anyone.
Seriously - Anyone.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 21:45

Lazymummy oh some people just love a row.

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CarpetBagger · 27/06/2014 21:46

Look at all the other abuse going on at that time, Nuns beating and selling children off, Monks doing the same, teachers, any one in power with children, people running childrens homes...it seems it was rife....and nothing was done across the board. Times have changed, media has changed, people can link up, speak out, counselling is common place, being encouraged to talk about things...human rights....all converging.

Hakluyt · 27/06/2014 21:49

As I said. No need for a judicial system. All you need is 12 mumsnetters nodding knowingly to each other. It's really rather distasteful.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 21:52

Pag I never suspected him of being a predatory pedophile and this thread wasn't about those who might have but about people who didn't like him for whatever reason.

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Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 21:58

Oh stop talking to me. And certainly stop calling me Pag - that is an affectionate abbreviation and I'd prefer you didn't use it.

As someone who was abused all my fucking life - its my first memory for christsake - protesting you always felt something in your water serves no purpose hats over except to pretend that you were astonishingly perceptive .
It is self serving and pointless.

So that's all you are doing. Stop firing comments at me when I comment on the thread.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:19

Pag Pag Pag

You can no more tell me to stop talking to you than you can control what I call you!

You're on a thread I began...I will talk to who I like thanks.

I never said I "always" felt anything. I shared a memory.

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Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 22:25

Of course, you are right.
You can start a thread about your angst surounding jimmy Saville and completely ignore the feelings of someone who was abused.
You can do that.
If you think that your smart arse retrospective observations are more important than the distress they cause to those directly affected

Why don't you call me Pag again. Your contempt for me simply highlights your intent.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/06/2014 22:26

Of course you can say what you like, but if you have been asked not to use Pag as a nickname for Pagwatch, why wouldn't you respect that request?

Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 22:27

Actually do the pag thing again.
That makes it really obvious.

CarpetBagger · 27/06/2014 22:29

I think its an interesting thread and a very good one actually, its fascinating to hear what peoples parents thought of him or what they felt as children when he was supposed to appeal to children.

I also think its good to talk about these things I think its vital to talk about them.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:30

Pag if it upsets you why are you ON the thread? Confused Genuinely can't understand that!

I avoid threads about things which upset me. You're just coming over like you're after a row now...this thread has had almost no arguing...it wasn't begun for that.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:31

Carpet I also think discussion around it is healthy. It's not meant to be salacious.

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/06/2014 22:31

You know you are upsetting her by calling her Pag? That is just nasty, MrsWinniebago.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:32

SDTG why should I respect her demands when she's been out and out RUDE to me!?

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/06/2014 22:32

Discussion is fine - deliberately doing something you know is upsetting someone! is NOT.

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:33

And I'm not "Nasty" She is for saying "Oh stop talking to me. And certainly stop calling me Pag - that is an affectionate abbreviation and I'd prefer you didn't use it."

When she is attacking me on MY thread!

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 27/06/2014 22:33

Tit for tat? That is your justification? 'She was nasty first so I don't have to be nice?' Hmm

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:34

I will now ignore people out for a fight..usual types anyway. So PAG and SDTG carry on...but why not go off and talk about it together somewhere else?

You're just attacking me for no reason. Other people have had a good discussion on here.

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Scarletohello · 27/06/2014 22:35

Pagwatch, I never said anything about how I felt about him as a child so how on earth can you claim I am 'beside myself'? I never had a clue about him but the revelations about his necrophilia ( as printed in the Guardian) are truly revolting.

Tbh I'm sick of hearing about the man. I'm more concerned about how his abuse affected all the boys and girls he assaulted. How has it affected their lives and why aren't we talking about that..??

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:36

Well...we were after a fashion Scarlet but some people have derailed it.

I really don't know why they're here! Confused

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Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 22:36

Would you like me to go away?
Is your 'I always knew Saville was a child abuser' only for non victims?

I was only irritated when my general comments were picked up by you.
It's only your thread in that you started it. You don't get to chose who comments.
And if you start a there'd about a child abuser you shouldn't lack the wit to recognise that a survivor may reply.
Your lack of interest nd empathy is interesting though. You bemoan that he remained unchallenged and yet you are strangely disinterested in the fact that your thread may upset victims. I wonder what you revulsion at him was borne of, obviously not sympathy ...

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:38

I never said that Pag so I don't know why you've used inverted commas. Have you had a drink?

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MrsWinnibago · 27/06/2014 22:39

Oh and JUST to clarify...I'm using Pag as I can't be arsed to type the whole name. Not because I think I'm your mate or anything.

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Pagwatch · 27/06/2014 22:40

Hahaha

I've derailed it?

You wonder why I am here ?

Seriously? You wonder why someone who was abused through their childhood might click on a thread about child abuse?

Are you for real?

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