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To think that Saville was NEVER a "Much loved family favourite"???

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MrsWinnibago · 26/06/2014 13:33

Sorry to start a thread about this sick, awful animal but they just said on Radio 4 that he was a much loved family favourite.

I CLEARLY remember watching him on Jim'l Fix It and thinking "Oh he's HORRIBLE!"

I hated him...he was frightening and I could see that some children were very scared of him on that show.

Did ANYONE actually enjoy his "performances" and appearances?? I don't think so.

I think the establishment kept him where he was...on TV and in positions of power because he knew too much about THEIR activities.

And it's funny how it all came out once he was dead and couldn't name anyone else.

I challenge anyone to think back and remember how much they "loved" him at the time before his activities were known.

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OhTheDrama · 26/06/2014 17:07

I didn't like him at all but I think I was probably influenced by my mum who detested him. She always, always used shudder and comment that he made her skin crawl whenever he came on TV. More often than not the TV would be turned over.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun · 26/06/2014 17:10

It dosn't need a search engine, all it needs is someone in MNHQ on a tea break to be catching up on threads to see what was posted and the meaning behind it. Unless they are like me and totally clueless.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 26/06/2014 17:12

I think those who are saying he got away with it for so long because of what he knew might find it interesting to read the full reports from the LGI and Broadmoor, which are linked to from the BBC news report here. There's a very good summary in both of them, but especially the LGI one, about the social context of the abuse. They describe the hierarchical nature of the hospitals and the way casual sexual abuse was absolutely endemic in the 60s and 70s but not publicly discussed or acknowledged. It's also clear from the reports that neither hospital was very well run, for all sorts of quite complex reasons.

The victims in both hospitals mostly didn't tell anybody what had happened and that was pretty common then, wasn't it? They didn't expect to be believed and the few that did try to tell parents/staff/managers by and large either weren't believed or were fobbed off - 'That's what he's like!' 'Well, just one of those things' etc etc. Very, very depressing.

I don't think you have to believe in conspiracy theories to see why he got away with it for so long. He was an opportunist who took extraordinary risks. He overstated (and probably believed) the extent of his good works and his power and influence, and unfortunately a lot of his victims and the junior staff he encountered believed him and thought it would do no good to try to report him. It's quite clear from the reports that many, many people who encountered him at Broadmoor and the LGI thought he was up to no good and did their best to keep away from him and to keep him off their wards. But for whatever reason they didn't push their superiors to do anything about him.

Thank god we've made some improvements from those times.

Fullpleatherjacket · 26/06/2014 17:15

Greyhound - ER was wheeled on to TV all over as the story was breaking. She admitted to hearing rumours about Savile's activities with children as a junior employee when the story was breaking but didn't act (along with many others) as she claimed she didn't think she'd be listened to.

As founder of Childline she was subsequently in a position to make more than enough waves to have him investigated before he died but didn't.

Her self-serving crocodile tears as more and more details came to light were stomach churning.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 26/06/2014 17:18

Yes but the conversational thread was on Saville, who had he lived would have been a convicted criminal, and that was what the video clip referred to.

No one else was mentioning the remainder of the clip, let alone typing out names that might be searched and cause a complaint to MNHQ.

From experience on the many conspiracy theory threads that have cropped up in the time I've been on MN it's just best to avoid using a full name in discussion. Initials for example or PM'ing posters is usually the best method to continue a discussion.

I'm just trying to explain from an historical point of view, but you seem to be labouring the point, so I'm sorry if you thought I was telling you off, that wasn't the case. We've had many discussions on here about rumoured events but it's best not to make direct connections?

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hellymelly · 26/06/2014 17:25

DH's Godfather told him not to go near JS, and he worked in the music industry, so maybe had heard a rumour or something. There were so many "rumours" about him that it is frightening how long he was able to get away with his abuse and deviant behaviour. It does make me wonder who was protecting him and why.

GrannyOnTheSchoolRun · 26/06/2014 17:27

Wally, Im way too new to MN to know the ins and outs of whats what post wise.

AllMimsyWereTheBorogoves · 26/06/2014 17:28

You don't need to assume he had high level protection. Look at how many ordinary men turn out to be paedophiles. The culture of the time did all the protecting they needed.

Greyhound · 26/06/2014 17:28

Fullpleather - oh really? Bloody hell - I take it all back about ER. That is shocking...

May pm you later with a few bits of info

gatofeliz · 26/06/2014 17:32

Saville must have had high levels of protection considering how close he was to the royals and how much money they pay for security checks on everyone around them and lets not forget Margaret Thatcher Hmm

ILoveCoreyHaim · 26/06/2014 17:35

My mam would never let us watch Jim'll Fix itwhen we were kids, i would watch it at grannies sometimes. After it all broke she said see i knew he was horrible, he scared me and i couldn't stand him. She said she always knew there was something up with him as he was sinister.

kids DF used to watch it and write in to go on it all the time, his DM thought he was great. Whwn it broke he wouldn't have it he was guilty. Now he knows he is but was shocked.

Smilesandpiles · 26/06/2014 17:37

From the Guardian:

Findings of a series of major investigations by NHS hospitals into allegations of abuse by disgraced presenter Jimmy Savile are being published on Thursday.

The inquiries were prompted after a review by the Metropolitan police revealed a number of shocking claims relating to Jimmy Savile sexually abusing victims in a number of hospital settings, including within the Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust area and the high-security psychiatric Broadmoor hospital.

Kate Lampard, who was appointed by the Department of Health to oversee the investigations, chief investigators and chief executives of NHS trusts will present the findings at a press conference in London.

Exposure: The Other Side Of Jimmy Savile, a documentary shown on ITV in October 2012, ultimately led to a joint review by the Metropolitan police and NSPCC into allegations that the television presenter abused women, girls and boys.

The findings of the review, published in January last year, saw 214 criminal offences, including 34 rapes, recorded against Savile's name across the UK between 1955 and 2009.

Uncovering the scale of his offending in their report, detectives said the Top Of The Pops presenter sexually abused a teenager at a hospice, one of 14 medical sites he used to prey on his victims.

He also committed 14 offences at schools across the country, some of them when children had written to him for his popular BBC series Jim'll Fix It.

A national investigation known as Operation Yewtree was launched after the abuse claims. Detectives have run the investigation in three strands: allegations involving Savile, those involving Savile and others, and those involving others acting without Savile.

Further research by the NSPCC claimed at least 500 victims as young as two were abused by Savile.

The NSPCC report said the scale of Savile's offending inside Broadmoor was higher than previously thought, with Thames Valley police having received 16 reports of abuse by him inside the special hospital.

It also describes how some awe-struck civil servants erroneously referred to the Top Of The Pops presenter as "doctor", unaware of the trauma he was inflicting on some youngsters behind hospital doors.

The figures show the most common age group for Savile's victims was 13 to 15 and the youngest alleged victim was two years old.

In addition fears that Savile abused children in more than 20 children's homes and schools across England are being investigated. Allegations dating back to the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s have been handed to the Department for Education (DfE) following a review of documents by the Met.

Local authorities and other relevant institutions had been asked to further investigate the claims, the education secretary, Michael Gove, said in a written statement.

Among children's homes and schools to be further investigated are Henshaw School for the Blind, one of four institutions in Savile's birthplace of Leeds, and a Barnardo's children's home in the London Borough of Redbridge.

Children's homes and schools in focus are spread across England, including Bournemouth, Devon, Gloucestershire, Leeds, London and Manchester among others.

www.theguardian.com/media/201...o-be-published

Smilesandpiles · 26/06/2014 17:39

Link doesn't work now but it was there earlier...

WallyBantersJunkBox · 26/06/2014 17:40

Granny fair enough, but it's bizarre what gets picked up on here, not by MN per se, but other searches which then lead to complaints. Especially certain types of schools or threads on missing children etc.

The conspiracy threads are definitely worth a read, I'll see if I can link a previous one for you to have a look at.

I don't live in the UK and didn't hear the confession from ER so that's interesting.

My DB informed us of the Mayor of Scarborough being involved in a ring with JS though. My DH is from the town and wasn't shocked at all. The guy had an ice cream parlour and the rumours were rife. When you read the comments on some of the newspaper articles it is hearbreaking, people coming forward to say they were never believed and that they are now ready to make statements etc. Sad

I think it had a lot more to do with being unable to challenge authority in the 70's, as many people have mentioned.

Fullpleatherjacket · 26/06/2014 17:40

Oh, my bad. ER didn't actually claim she wouldn't be listened to, she just dismissed the rumours as gossip.

So that's OK then Hmm

Greyhound · 26/06/2014 17:41

I'd forgotten his friendship with Diana... Jeez.

Hope he is in hell and suffering for his cruelty.

Scarletohello · 26/06/2014 17:44

This link offers some insight into why it was only after his death that allegations were taken seriously. It's pretty horrific, if it's true. And if it is, why isn't something being done about it..

www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/12/18/uk-establishment-closes-ranks-as-organised-paedophile-network-leads-back-to-no-10/

NotYouNaanBread · 26/06/2014 17:45

I thought he was creepy as hell when I was a child. Did not like.

Smilesandpiles · 26/06/2014 17:46

That link isn't working either Scarlet

Smilesandpiles · 26/06/2014 17:47

Sorry, yes it is.

tethersend · 26/06/2014 17:50

"It's always a huge relief when a paedophile or similar looks like a "weirdo"

People will do anything to avoid accepting the fact that children are at risk (insofar as they are at risk at all)from perfectly ordinary "normal" people that they know well. But that's far too scary and difficult to think about. So we go on about "stranger danger" and have frissons of horror about how we always knew there was something "not quite right" about Saville, then life carries on."

It seems a shame to polarise a discussion about such horrific crimes into those who thought he was awful = deniers of abuse perpetrated by trusted adults.

It is perfectly possible to know about or have experience of paedophilia by trusted friends and family members, AND have thought JS was an odious cunt.

It's not one or the other.

Happydaysatlast · 26/06/2014 17:54

I certainly thought he was a vile ugly creep when I was a child and my parents hated him.

Hope he's in hell.

WallyBantersJunkBox · 26/06/2014 17:57

Good news about Jeremy Beadle though. I couldn't stand the guy on that prank show, but hats off to him for raising all that cash and not wallowing in the glory.

Perhaps they should put a statue of him at the end of Scarborough Pier with the epitaph "This is how it's done".

MyrtleDove · 26/06/2014 17:58

Maybe I'm just too young but I had no idea there were rumours about JS until the scandal broke after his death - I'm too young to have watched Jim'll Fix It so I only saw stuff about his charity work (I am 25). I saw the Louis Theroux thing, thought he was a bit odd but odd doesn't equal paedophile so it just didn't occur to me.

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