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Can anyone help a husband in distress?

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goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 10:07

Sorry, long post warning:

I am 46 and my wife is 34. We were married around 5 years ago when she became pregnant. There was a gun-shot wedding and since we have had a little boy who is 2 to add to our daughter is nearly 5. The previous 2 years were quite wonderful, I want to say that I love my wife and I adore our 2 children more than life itself. Most of the time, she is warm, caring, fun and funny, a pleasure to be around at other times she is horrible. It seems she can be nice one minute and quite mean the next, several times in the same day.

There were fights and arguments before, but hey, I thought that was normal, but for the last 4 years it seems like its a whole new ball of wax. These are the characteristics that began not long after the arrival of our first-born;-

Our relationship has been dominated by her frequent rages, including hitting and containing extreme verbal or emotional abuse, it mirrors the behaviour of a child-like temper-tantrum. She takes 2 to 3 days to calm down from one of these and when I try to talk to her about it she usually refuses or will conveniently deflect all blame upon me for making her angry.

She is super-sensitive to the smallest criticism and unintentional slight. If you joke with what might be termed poking fun, she takes it as a personal attack. Her method of fighting back is quite nasty and immature. She never apologises for anything, if she does it is brief and matter-of-fact. Sometimes I think she is only says this out of obligation rather than sincerity.

She lies about things and sometimes appears to be unaware of the fact she is lying at all. Im not sure whether this is a deliberate selective amnesia or whether she genuinely does not know. She accuses me of gaslighting which I believe is a projection and sometimes she tries to rewrite history. I have caught her out several times with this and she then accuses me of making things up or she simply disengages, in both cases it is usually accompanied by a huge outburst of anger. For instance, friends have informed me of her reckless driving. As the mother of my children, I am very concerned about this aspect of her thrill-seeking behaviour. She likes to binge drink and comes home very late at times, she always tells me she is sober and then spends the next day recovering from a hangover. I have stopped asking her what she did and who she was with for fear of another bout of absurd rage. I hate to think she may have been unfaithful, but I believe she is quite capable of revenge sex during these angry other wife phases. If she has, right now I dont want to know, as it seems this may be just part of a much bigger or more important problem per se.

She seeks revenge about perceived things I have done or things that she perceives I have done and generally seems to have a warped reality. At times it feels like she wants me to hate her as the vengeance is out of all proportion compared to the alleged crime. Often the only times I can really know what she is feeling is through her projections, for instance, she has accused me of behaving like a child, sometimes she calls me a little girl (!) when she rages and I try to defend myself. When she says she hates me, I feel quite strongly that she is projecting her own shame or guilt for the way she behaves.

She is controlling and engages in passive-aggressive behaviour all of the time (something else she accuses me of, that and mind-games) I believe that is focused on maintaining control, to the extent of rejecting acts of love and kindness which appear to be cast aside from a feeling of her entitlement, despite her behaviour. She seems to treat these attempts to draw her away from a hate cycle as an attempt at manipulation and has accused me of this directly. If I try to state my case she continually interrupts my thoughts, the object appears to create confusion with regard to my own point of view and to disregard it or to make me out to be the root cause of all the difficulties we have. It comes across as terribly self-centred, in fact the whole thing is very selfish indeed.

I have tried so many times to talk with her about our marital difficulties and she just fires back anger, hate, and above all blame, she uses the most convenient excuse to avoid the topic and can only see things through a negative lens that obliterates all of the good times we have had. When she does raise the issue, it seems she does so with a series of accusations and if only I did this, if only I were like this. All the time my voice is lost in a messy grey fog and nothing is ever fully fixed.

If her friends were to read this, they would probably be in disbelief and could possibly accuse me of being the one who is nasty and corrupted by hate. Around 8/9 months ago we moved to the country so that she could be nearer her old school friends and one of her best friends in particular, who has 2 children of similar age, so I also feel I have sacrificed, again, to appease her. This seems to work for a while, but the old patterns and cycles of behaviour have kicked and the floors of our new abode seem to be covered in egg-shells.

I feel like Im going insane, am I the only one who sees the real person behind the mask, who cuts a miserable, lonely figure seething in hate? Does everyone else, other than me only see a fun-filled, jolly and caring lady? I am convinced that others only see nice wife which is the same wife I long for, to be with me and our lovely children all of the time because she can be utterly adorable at times. Above all, I am scared for our 2 children who I fear may be damaged in some way already and I want to know how I can best help her. I am at a bit of a loss with all of this, help me to help her and our kids please.

In saying all of this, I recognise my own behaviour as a contributing factor, I have also said regrettable things and behaved quite dreadfully out of frustration, injustice and anger. I have blanked her out, dismissed her ridiculous and wild raging fantasies by telling her EXACTLY what I thought of her episodic terrorism in very plain, if not harshly accurate terms. Some of our fights have been monstrous and of course, one person cannot have an argument. What I do know is that there is a cavern of inequality in our relationship and I am clear when I state that whatever I have said and done is utterly dwarfed by the pain and hurt she has inflicted upon me.

At times I do not understand why, but I do still love her in spite of her attempts to systematically drain all love energy and hope from the core of my being. What I also feel is that all this surely is a syndrome or a condition and therefore must have a name bipolarism? Narcissism? Manic depression?

OP posts:
goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 10:10

(sorry about the apostrophe's, it was copy-pasted from Word)

OP posts:
idontlikealdi · 18/06/2014 10:15

Im not great at advice but why don't you show what you've written here as a starting point for discussion?

The unstable / thrill seeking behavior can be indicative of bipolar. Manic depression is known as bipolar now, they are the same thing.

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 18/06/2014 10:21

It sounds like you are in an abusive relationship Sad. I believe there are specialist helplines and services for men in your position. I'm so sorry.

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 18/06/2014 10:22

Mankind

marne2 · 18/06/2014 10:25

I would try and encourage her to go and see her gp, what you have described could be a number of things including mental health problem or a hormone imbalance ( both could cause her to feel snappy and even violent ). I have to say, a part of what you describe is me Sad, mine is hormones and at times I find it hard to control myself! there have been times where I have wanted to harm my husband ( I havn't ) and times where I say really awful things to him, I went to my gp and was told to try a few things ( including the pill ), not saying this is what is wrong with your wife but it is possible.

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 18/06/2014 10:27

It may be a MH issue but if a woman said her husband was acting like this the advice would not be to send him to a doctor. This behaviour is atrocious and he has tried to talk to her and she is not receptive.

Idontseeanyicegiants · 18/06/2014 10:31

Is all of this abuse only ever directed at you? I know you say her friends would never believe you but has nobody else at all seen this side of her?
I too think you should contact Mankind, I have no experience with regards to MH issues but you are being abused love.
I know you say you love her but is it time to have a back up plan so you can get you and your family to safety if needs be?

rinabean · 18/06/2014 10:31

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natwebb79 · 18/06/2014 10:31

I am no expert but these behaviours reflect exactly the same behaviours as one of my family members who has bipolar disorder. I would definitely try to encourage her to see her GP, although I understand this may be difficult to broach. I too second the above poster who says that you really should not tolerate this behavior towards you. It is so difficult when you are concerned for your children and I really feel for you.

ComposHat · 18/06/2014 10:33

Leave and if you fear your children are at risk, take the children with you. Report any violence or any threats to the police. She may be having mental health difficulties but there us no need for you to stick around and act as a physical and emotional punchbag for her.

Squidstirfry · 18/06/2014 10:39

This is clearly abusive and manipulative behviour. She is two-faced, 'nice wife' in public and 'mean wife' behind closed doors.

You are afraid to ask her where she's been after she is coming home drink? Suspect she could be sleeping around? This is no life for a family, your poor DC.

Why would this behaviour, just because it's from a woman, be brushed off as 'hormonal imbalance?? (To marne2) that is sexist and undermines everything. She is abusive. You can't blame female hormones!

You won't be able to 'talk sense' into her. If you want your life to improve and for things to change all you can do is get out of the relationship...

Def speak to a professional.

sparechange · 18/06/2014 10:39

I don't think you need to be too concerned with a label at this point, but need to find a way of getting her to find the help she needs.

Have you suggested counselling? Would she be in any way open to it?

Would it be worth you seeing someone to cope with the huge stress she has put on you? It might also help give you some techniques to deal with her behaviour?
You are in an abusive relationship, so need to look after yourself and also your children, who will be picking up on it to some degree

IsItMeOr · 18/06/2014 10:39

Neither of you sound happy.

I'm concerned that your long essay does have flags for me that either you or your wife may be the abuser in this relationship.

Either way, this does not sound like a relationship with a happy future so long as you stay together. Why don't you leave?

rinabean · 18/06/2014 10:39

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sparechange · 18/06/2014 10:42

rinabean That is staggeringly insensitive and jumping to conclusions

If you have an axe to grind, you shouldn't be doing it when someone is clearly looking for help

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 10:42

I would see if she would be prepared to go to counselling to sort out your problems. Work from there.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 10:45

'because she can be utterly adorable at times'

what's the ratio? and is there a reason for her outbursts?

' she uses the most convenient excuse to avoid the topic' what excuse does she use?

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puntasticusername · 18/06/2014 10:52

rinabean your posts on this thread are utterly, utterly bizarre.

jacks365 · 18/06/2014 10:52

Rinabean my instincts are screaming at me that this isn't how it has been put across. It's too clinical if that makes sense

sparechange · 18/06/2014 10:53

rinabean I've read it a few times. I don't see a desperate man. I see someone struggling to hold together a normal situation.
You honestly think everyone is DV situation is a quivering wreck 24/7? You don't think there are moments of normality when you feel comfortable enough to make a joke or have a laugh with them only for it to trigger them off?

I can only assume that you are either forming your opinions of DV from Eastenders plotlines, or have a totally blinkered view that women are always always the victims and men the abusers, hence the weird way in which you have twisted this around.

Either way perhaps you should find yourself a thread in which your frankly nasty attacks are towards someone who isn't in such a vulnerable position

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 10:53

" Most of the time, she is warm, caring, fun and funny"

actually you have already answered the question I asked about the ratio...

You say most of the time she is warm, caring, fun and funny.

So how often is she horrible? Do you thin there is something contributing to this behaviour other than alcohol? Stress, tiredness etc?

Are you being truthful to yourself? You say most of the time she is ok but then go on to say she has frequent rages which dominate your relationship.

you say she will 'deflect all blame upon me for making her angry'. What is she blaming you for? Is there any truth in what she says?

"She seeks revenge about perceived things I have done" what kind of revenge and what kind of things?

"to the extent of rejecting acts of love and kindness which appear to be cast aside from a feeling of her entitlement, despite her behaviour. She seems to treat these attempts to draw her away from a hate cycle as an attempt at manipulation and has accused me of this directly" What does all this mean exactly? Are you talking about sex?

"if only I did this, if only I were like this" what are you not doing? What does she want you to be like?

"behaved quite dreadfully out of frustration, injustice and anger*" what kind of dreadful things have you done?

CarmineRose1978 · 18/06/2014 10:54

Not meaning to defend her at all, because she does sound abusive (perhaps due to post natal depression if this first started after the birth of your DD?), but my partner is a great one for leg-pulls and jokey comments, and sometimes it can feel like I'm being constantly attacked. I know he's just teasing but if everything you do gets picked apart, even in a jokey way, it can make you feel defensive. I'm quite clumsy and not light footed at all, and it's worse since I got pregnant, but I'm quite sensitive about it because I really hate it. There's a family history of Huntingtons, and even though it's highly unlikely I'll develop it, I do worry when I'm being particularly cack-handed that it's an early sign, which he is aware of. So if I drop something, or clump upstairs, or trip over a sofa, and my partner makes a funny, I really hate it. I have been known to over-react to it and then have to apologies, but it could be that there are some issues that she's sensitive about which you could avoid mentioning, even if you're just joking around.

Another issue for me is that my last partner was very critical about everything, especially when he started going off me, so I worry when my partner is especially picky about things I do that he's sick of me too... this is obviously my problem and rooted in low self-esteem and insecurity, but could some one that be going on?

Even when I get upset though, or when we argue, I always try not to make it personal, as does my DP - we never actually insult each other. I think that's quite important, as hasty hurtful unpleasant words, true or untrue, can't be unsaid and an apology only goes so far. My dad was a great one for personal insults if he was angry, and even though I knew he didn't think I was a bitch or an evil cow, it stays with you.

Obviously, I'm really projecting here. Maybe she IS just a bitch.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 10:55

Hope you don't mind all the questions. Knowing a bit more about the facts and the inconsistencies in your OP might help people to give a better answer to your problems.

sparechange · 18/06/2014 10:55

jacks
He has already said he typed it in Word to start with.
It reads to me like something that has taken a long time to write and has been re-read and tweaked with a lot before posting, which if you read the relationship boards, is entirely normal when people have a big 'offload' and are umming and ahhing about whether to do it.

OP if you are still around, perhaps get this moved to Relationships, where you may get a more rational reception than some of the bizarre responses you are getting here