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Can anyone help a husband in distress?

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goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 10:07

Sorry, long post warning:

I am 46 and my wife is 34. We were married around 5 years ago when she became pregnant. There was a gun-shot wedding and since we have had a little boy who is 2 to add to our daughter is nearly 5. The previous 2 years were quite wonderful, I want to say that I love my wife and I adore our 2 children more than life itself. Most of the time, she is warm, caring, fun and funny, a pleasure to be around at other times she is horrible. It seems she can be nice one minute and quite mean the next, several times in the same day.

There were fights and arguments before, but hey, I thought that was normal, but for the last 4 years it seems like its a whole new ball of wax. These are the characteristics that began not long after the arrival of our first-born;-

Our relationship has been dominated by her frequent rages, including hitting and containing extreme verbal or emotional abuse, it mirrors the behaviour of a child-like temper-tantrum. She takes 2 to 3 days to calm down from one of these and when I try to talk to her about it she usually refuses or will conveniently deflect all blame upon me for making her angry.

She is super-sensitive to the smallest criticism and unintentional slight. If you joke with what might be termed poking fun, she takes it as a personal attack. Her method of fighting back is quite nasty and immature. She never apologises for anything, if she does it is brief and matter-of-fact. Sometimes I think she is only says this out of obligation rather than sincerity.

She lies about things and sometimes appears to be unaware of the fact she is lying at all. Im not sure whether this is a deliberate selective amnesia or whether she genuinely does not know. She accuses me of gaslighting which I believe is a projection and sometimes she tries to rewrite history. I have caught her out several times with this and she then accuses me of making things up or she simply disengages, in both cases it is usually accompanied by a huge outburst of anger. For instance, friends have informed me of her reckless driving. As the mother of my children, I am very concerned about this aspect of her thrill-seeking behaviour. She likes to binge drink and comes home very late at times, she always tells me she is sober and then spends the next day recovering from a hangover. I have stopped asking her what she did and who she was with for fear of another bout of absurd rage. I hate to think she may have been unfaithful, but I believe she is quite capable of revenge sex during these angry other wife phases. If she has, right now I dont want to know, as it seems this may be just part of a much bigger or more important problem per se.

She seeks revenge about perceived things I have done or things that she perceives I have done and generally seems to have a warped reality. At times it feels like she wants me to hate her as the vengeance is out of all proportion compared to the alleged crime. Often the only times I can really know what she is feeling is through her projections, for instance, she has accused me of behaving like a child, sometimes she calls me a little girl (!) when she rages and I try to defend myself. When she says she hates me, I feel quite strongly that she is projecting her own shame or guilt for the way she behaves.

She is controlling and engages in passive-aggressive behaviour all of the time (something else she accuses me of, that and mind-games) I believe that is focused on maintaining control, to the extent of rejecting acts of love and kindness which appear to be cast aside from a feeling of her entitlement, despite her behaviour. She seems to treat these attempts to draw her away from a hate cycle as an attempt at manipulation and has accused me of this directly. If I try to state my case she continually interrupts my thoughts, the object appears to create confusion with regard to my own point of view and to disregard it or to make me out to be the root cause of all the difficulties we have. It comes across as terribly self-centred, in fact the whole thing is very selfish indeed.

I have tried so many times to talk with her about our marital difficulties and she just fires back anger, hate, and above all blame, she uses the most convenient excuse to avoid the topic and can only see things through a negative lens that obliterates all of the good times we have had. When she does raise the issue, it seems she does so with a series of accusations and if only I did this, if only I were like this. All the time my voice is lost in a messy grey fog and nothing is ever fully fixed.

If her friends were to read this, they would probably be in disbelief and could possibly accuse me of being the one who is nasty and corrupted by hate. Around 8/9 months ago we moved to the country so that she could be nearer her old school friends and one of her best friends in particular, who has 2 children of similar age, so I also feel I have sacrificed, again, to appease her. This seems to work for a while, but the old patterns and cycles of behaviour have kicked and the floors of our new abode seem to be covered in egg-shells.

I feel like Im going insane, am I the only one who sees the real person behind the mask, who cuts a miserable, lonely figure seething in hate? Does everyone else, other than me only see a fun-filled, jolly and caring lady? I am convinced that others only see nice wife which is the same wife I long for, to be with me and our lovely children all of the time because she can be utterly adorable at times. Above all, I am scared for our 2 children who I fear may be damaged in some way already and I want to know how I can best help her. I am at a bit of a loss with all of this, help me to help her and our kids please.

In saying all of this, I recognise my own behaviour as a contributing factor, I have also said regrettable things and behaved quite dreadfully out of frustration, injustice and anger. I have blanked her out, dismissed her ridiculous and wild raging fantasies by telling her EXACTLY what I thought of her episodic terrorism in very plain, if not harshly accurate terms. Some of our fights have been monstrous and of course, one person cannot have an argument. What I do know is that there is a cavern of inequality in our relationship and I am clear when I state that whatever I have said and done is utterly dwarfed by the pain and hurt she has inflicted upon me.

At times I do not understand why, but I do still love her in spite of her attempts to systematically drain all love energy and hope from the core of my being. What I also feel is that all this surely is a syndrome or a condition and therefore must have a name bipolarism? Narcissism? Manic depression?

OP posts:
BoulevardOfBrokenSleep · 18/06/2014 10:59

GoneForSausage - you don't have to stay in a relationship with someone who hits you. It's Ok to leave.

Who is the main carer for your kids?

Idontseeanyicegiants · 18/06/2014 11:04

I've read the OP again with your thoughts in mind Rhinabean and I'm certainly not seeing what you do.
He copied and pasted from word so it's my opinion as well that he probably deleted and retyped many times to get it down in a straight way.
It may read as clinical but many people can come over as emotionless in print (I know this, I'm married to a man who can make a love letter read like a shopping list...).

OP what would happen if you just refused to engage with her at all at those times? Just walk away?

Clargo55 · 18/06/2014 11:05

Could you give some actual examples, you have given a lot of descriptions of your wife's behaviour but no examples.

How do the arguments start? Give some examples of what you have said and what she has said? What do you mean by poking fun of her? Poking fun at what, weight, housework?

How does she behave with the children?

Branleuse · 18/06/2014 11:09

it doesn't matter whos at fault. This is an unhealthy relationship and you need to either get some relationship therapy and find new ways to relate tp each other and decide whether it can be fixed, or just split

Brodicea · 18/06/2014 11:10

I'm with clargo - you describe the effect of her behaviour, but not the events that actually led up to it. This makes me, for one, think that rhinabean has a point actually; but it's hard to say for sure as you are so full of emotion and conjecture, and so hazy on the facts.

On the other hand if you feel like this, you should probably at least seek counselling so you can both find appropriate outlets for your feelings. You're clearly nearing the end of your tether and it may be that too much hurt has built up and you have to end the relationship.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 11:15

Is the age Gap Significant?

A gun-shot wedding? Is this a figure of speech or did you really not want to marry her at that time?

The two years before you had kids were wonderful but since you had kids she has changed?

Something changed when you had children. This is quite normal when parents are tired and sleep deprived and no doubt can get worse if another baby is thrown into the mix. Has she talked to you about how she has felt since having the demands of two small children? How much do you help? Does she work? Do you work? How involved would you say you are in the tedious bits of child-rearing?

You say dominated by yet in the previous paragraphs you say you had normal fights and a wonderful two years before kids came along.

What kinds of criticisms and personal slights are you making to get these kinds of reactions?

What is her method of fighting back?

Give some examples of when she accuses you of gaslighting and why.

In what ways is she controlling?

Does your wife use mumsnet?

Pennastucky · 18/06/2014 11:19

I'm not a health professional, but her behaviour screams bipolar disorder to me. The reckless driving, heavy drinking, disproportionate anger, bitter and abusive behaviour - all say uncontrolled, unmanaged bipolar.

I could be wrong. But if she was willing, I would advise she sees her GP and gets a referral to a psychiatrist for an assessment.

I'm not being apologist for her behaviour. Not at all. Bipolar disorder isnt an excuse for bad behaviour like this - and you are under no obligation to accept it - but it IS a reason. If she was willing to accept her issues and (if diagnosed) engage with treatment, she might have a chance of managing herself and her life in a healthier way. If not, she is at grave risk of damaging her relationships beyond all repair. Bipolar disorder gets worse if unmanaged.

I am bipolar, by the way, and I very nearly wrecked my life and marriage before I was diagnosed and sought treatment.

Timetoask · 18/06/2014 11:21

I think OP described the situation very eloquently and clearly.
I don't understand why so many questions have been posted here. If OP were a woman I am sure the thread would have gone differently.

OP, your wife sounds like an abusive manipulator. Nobody is perfect and we all have moments of anger but her persistent behaviour and her lack of acceptance would really worry me, she does not see her behaviour as wrong so how will she ever change?

Since she is not open to discussion, could you maybe write a letter to her, with examples of her behaviour and giving her an ultimatum: ei: either she finds therapy, doctor's help, or whatever to change her behaviour or your relationship will not survive.

I could not live with someone like her. Life is too short.

WorraLiberty · 18/06/2014 11:21

Fucking hell Farty. Did you swing the light while typing all that? Shock

Pumpkinpositive · 18/06/2014 11:24

Not saying I agree with rinabean but it all seems a bit ... abstract.

Could OP give some concrete examples? Smile

APlaceInTheSummer · 18/06/2014 11:26

Go to counselling alone to tease out the issues. Couples' counselling isn't recommended in an abusive relationship and, from the limited actual examples given, this seems to be an abusive relationship although it isn't entirely clear who is fulfilling each role.

One point I would make is that it isn't necessarily the case that your wife has a mask for other people. Painful though it may be for you to admit or recognise, she may just be different, happier and more relaxed with them.

Neither of you seems to be listening to the other.

You've asked for advice for you (not for your wife or about the relationship) so I'd advise that:

  • you stop trying to analyse and diagnose your dw. You are not a doctor and you're not a neutral person observing her.
  • you seek counselling for you. Perhaps with a counsellor you could provide more detail about the excuses, about the triggers for the arguments, etc. Really, without that level of detail, no-one here can start to offer advice on how to fix the relationship.
  • you have to accept that maybe the relationship can't be fixed, and if that is the case, then searching to attribute blame will only damage your children.

Can I also ask, is your dw a MNer? I'm hoping not and that you both have different forums to explore your relationship dynamic.

Iswallowedawatermelon · 18/06/2014 11:27

I think you should get a divorce. This sounds like a terrible way to live. How is she with the children generally?

Clargo55 · 18/06/2014 11:36

Time, I would have said exactly the same if it had been a woman.

I'm reserving judgement until those questions are answered. What if he were gaslighting her, as he has said she has accused him of, this would play right into his hands. No actual examples of her behaviour and what provokes it have been given.

GaryTheTankEngine · 18/06/2014 11:37

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Clargo55 · 18/06/2014 11:37

Great advice from APlace.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 11:46

I have one child.

I am sleep deprived and I am regularly fucked off by the lack of help I get.

Now I am not saying the OP isn't being treated terribly, certainly the hitting, the drinking etc is very worrying...

however there is very little information in this post about the specifics of both their behaviour and what I see is a couple in crisis after having had 2 children. There are many reasons why I might sympathise with the OP but also with the OP's wife.

I can be a grumpy, beligerant, controlling arsehole to my husband at times. Also being peri-menopausal (Which the OP's wife probably isn't) means I have wild mood swings. I get VERY angry about the lack of help which is made worse by the extreme tiredness I have - and I only have one child!

So - the reason I am asking these questions is because I don't think the kinds of behaviour displayed by the OP's wife (and the OP) always happens in isolation and the OP has even accepted that his behaviour towards his wife has not always been the best. He fails to give any concrete examples for both their behaviour so it's really difficult to give advice apart from 'go to counselling'. However, he has chosen to post about it here, on mumsnet, to get responses from the posting population and it is only natural that people might want more detail.

He has written a huge long post but with very little to go on. Of course the most alarming thing is that his wife is violent to him when she is not being very nice and that is not a good situation for him nor their children.

DenzelWashington · 18/06/2014 11:46

I don't know whether to take this at face value or not.
All I will say is that OP, you need outside help to work out and deal with what is going on here. And probably, you need to separate from your wife while you access that outside help, for her sake and for your's.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 11:56

also - when I was being a particular cow to my husband he told me he was moving out to live with his dad for a while. Once i got over my initial anger at the idea of him swanning off and leaving ALL the childcare to me - it did make me think about my behaviour and helped us to get to a point where we wre able to talk about what it was that was making us so unhappy.

So, yes, moving out for a while is definitely a recommendation.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 11:59

Though I never hit my husband and that is an awful situation to be in so I would move out.

Davsmum · 18/06/2014 12:06

You really need some professional help with this OP.
My mother was, in many ways, like your wife and it had a horrible impact on my Dad and us children.
My Dad put up with it their whole married life and sometimes we have been resentful that he never did anything about it - although I now realise that it is very difficult dealing with this sort of person unless you get some real help

APlaceInTheSummer · 18/06/2014 12:09

Gary I've posted on MN for a long time (lots of different user names) and I've only once advised LTB. There are a lot of posters who provide more nuanced advice than that regardless of whether the OP is male or female.

I've just re-read the OP substituting he for she and yep, my advice would still be the same.

goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 12:24

I am quite shocked by the nature of some of these comments. No, I am not an abuser, thank you to those who think I am the guilty one. 'Poking fun' refers to normal rib-tickling that I assume you do with your friends btw.

I love my wife and as the mother of my children, leaving is not an option I wish to consider.

the ratios:
shit times 1 aprt
unhappy times 3 to 4 times
good times 7-8ish

I am asking for help - how do I help her within the home. Some of these posts are very upsetting and I will check in again tomorrow, thanks. I wrote this letter 3 times until I felt it accurate and not clothed in self-pity.

OP posts:
TalisaMaegyr · 18/06/2014 12:26

I don't know why you're getting defensive. Most of the advice is really good Confused

timetoclean · 18/06/2014 12:31

It sounds more like borderline personality disorder to me.

Pennastucky · 18/06/2014 12:32

Again, I will say:

Mood swings
Irrational or disproportionate rage
Lying
Reckless driving
Heavy drinking
Thrill seeking

Red flags for bipolar.

YOU cant do anything, except suggest when she is calm that she may need to seek help. If she wont face up to it, there is nothing you CAN do apart from leave or put up with it (not advisable).