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Can anyone help a husband in distress?

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goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 10:07

Sorry, long post warning:

I am 46 and my wife is 34. We were married around 5 years ago when she became pregnant. There was a gun-shot wedding and since we have had a little boy who is 2 to add to our daughter is nearly 5. The previous 2 years were quite wonderful, I want to say that I love my wife and I adore our 2 children more than life itself. Most of the time, she is warm, caring, fun and funny, a pleasure to be around at other times she is horrible. It seems she can be nice one minute and quite mean the next, several times in the same day.

There were fights and arguments before, but hey, I thought that was normal, but for the last 4 years it seems like its a whole new ball of wax. These are the characteristics that began not long after the arrival of our first-born;-

Our relationship has been dominated by her frequent rages, including hitting and containing extreme verbal or emotional abuse, it mirrors the behaviour of a child-like temper-tantrum. She takes 2 to 3 days to calm down from one of these and when I try to talk to her about it she usually refuses or will conveniently deflect all blame upon me for making her angry.

She is super-sensitive to the smallest criticism and unintentional slight. If you joke with what might be termed poking fun, she takes it as a personal attack. Her method of fighting back is quite nasty and immature. She never apologises for anything, if she does it is brief and matter-of-fact. Sometimes I think she is only says this out of obligation rather than sincerity.

She lies about things and sometimes appears to be unaware of the fact she is lying at all. Im not sure whether this is a deliberate selective amnesia or whether she genuinely does not know. She accuses me of gaslighting which I believe is a projection and sometimes she tries to rewrite history. I have caught her out several times with this and she then accuses me of making things up or she simply disengages, in both cases it is usually accompanied by a huge outburst of anger. For instance, friends have informed me of her reckless driving. As the mother of my children, I am very concerned about this aspect of her thrill-seeking behaviour. She likes to binge drink and comes home very late at times, she always tells me she is sober and then spends the next day recovering from a hangover. I have stopped asking her what she did and who she was with for fear of another bout of absurd rage. I hate to think she may have been unfaithful, but I believe she is quite capable of revenge sex during these angry other wife phases. If she has, right now I dont want to know, as it seems this may be just part of a much bigger or more important problem per se.

She seeks revenge about perceived things I have done or things that she perceives I have done and generally seems to have a warped reality. At times it feels like she wants me to hate her as the vengeance is out of all proportion compared to the alleged crime. Often the only times I can really know what she is feeling is through her projections, for instance, she has accused me of behaving like a child, sometimes she calls me a little girl (!) when she rages and I try to defend myself. When she says she hates me, I feel quite strongly that she is projecting her own shame or guilt for the way she behaves.

She is controlling and engages in passive-aggressive behaviour all of the time (something else she accuses me of, that and mind-games) I believe that is focused on maintaining control, to the extent of rejecting acts of love and kindness which appear to be cast aside from a feeling of her entitlement, despite her behaviour. She seems to treat these attempts to draw her away from a hate cycle as an attempt at manipulation and has accused me of this directly. If I try to state my case she continually interrupts my thoughts, the object appears to create confusion with regard to my own point of view and to disregard it or to make me out to be the root cause of all the difficulties we have. It comes across as terribly self-centred, in fact the whole thing is very selfish indeed.

I have tried so many times to talk with her about our marital difficulties and she just fires back anger, hate, and above all blame, she uses the most convenient excuse to avoid the topic and can only see things through a negative lens that obliterates all of the good times we have had. When she does raise the issue, it seems she does so with a series of accusations and if only I did this, if only I were like this. All the time my voice is lost in a messy grey fog and nothing is ever fully fixed.

If her friends were to read this, they would probably be in disbelief and could possibly accuse me of being the one who is nasty and corrupted by hate. Around 8/9 months ago we moved to the country so that she could be nearer her old school friends and one of her best friends in particular, who has 2 children of similar age, so I also feel I have sacrificed, again, to appease her. This seems to work for a while, but the old patterns and cycles of behaviour have kicked and the floors of our new abode seem to be covered in egg-shells.

I feel like Im going insane, am I the only one who sees the real person behind the mask, who cuts a miserable, lonely figure seething in hate? Does everyone else, other than me only see a fun-filled, jolly and caring lady? I am convinced that others only see nice wife which is the same wife I long for, to be with me and our lovely children all of the time because she can be utterly adorable at times. Above all, I am scared for our 2 children who I fear may be damaged in some way already and I want to know how I can best help her. I am at a bit of a loss with all of this, help me to help her and our kids please.

In saying all of this, I recognise my own behaviour as a contributing factor, I have also said regrettable things and behaved quite dreadfully out of frustration, injustice and anger. I have blanked her out, dismissed her ridiculous and wild raging fantasies by telling her EXACTLY what I thought of her episodic terrorism in very plain, if not harshly accurate terms. Some of our fights have been monstrous and of course, one person cannot have an argument. What I do know is that there is a cavern of inequality in our relationship and I am clear when I state that whatever I have said and done is utterly dwarfed by the pain and hurt she has inflicted upon me.

At times I do not understand why, but I do still love her in spite of her attempts to systematically drain all love energy and hope from the core of my being. What I also feel is that all this surely is a syndrome or a condition and therefore must have a name bipolarism? Narcissism? Manic depression?

OP posts:
wafflyversatile · 18/06/2014 12:32

Contact Mankind. Someone posted the link upthread.

Counselling for you on your own could be a good idea if you can. Don't go together.

Your priorities are the physical and emotional well-being of your children and yourself. This can't be good for them.

It doesn't really matter what the label is. I'd go with borderline personality disorder but I'd be guessing and projecting as much everyone else. The important thing is you and your children don't have to live like this.

First thing I'd say is contact mankind and get advice.

wafflyversatile · 18/06/2014 12:34

Why don't you want to consider leaving?

Clargo55 · 18/06/2014 12:36

If she's is physically abusing you or the children you should really leave now.

But I would still like an example of her behaviour during these times?

And I would like to know what you say when you 'criticise' and poke fun at her? Neither are ever any excuse for physical violence, but it would help to know how things start.

wafflyversatile · 18/06/2014 12:37

Pennastucky Those things and what else he describes also fit borderline. So what?

People can be a blend of things and the labelling system is not infallible.

It's not about fighting about who can amateur diagnose someone from an OP on mumsnet, ffs.

APlaceInTheSummer · 18/06/2014 12:47

You can't make someone seek help for a problem that they might not even feel they have. You can't even make someone seek help for a problem that they acknowledge they have. You're starting from the wrong place if you think this will be solved by you forcing your dw to get help/fixed .

You have to acknowledge who your dw is, not who you would like her to be or who she is when she isn't stressed or angry. Being stressed and angry is part of being human. They are valid emotional responses in certain situations. Move away from the fantasy version of your dw. If you love her then recognise the reality of her personality.

You can support yourself and your dc's by going to counselling.

You're adamant you won't leave but did not paint a picture of a functioning relationship. Speaking to a counsellor would help you to tease out why you feel you can't leave. Commitment is laudable: ignoring your own mental health and the impact this relationship must be having on the children is not.

Pennastucky · 18/06/2014 12:52

waffly

So what? Hmm

If you read my earlier post, you would see that I clearly said I am not diagnosing the OP's wife. I am merely pointing out that her behaviour isnt normal and that there is a very real possibility that there is nothing HE can do to 'help' his wife or improve her behaviour if SHE doesn't face up to the fact that she is out of control and behaving in a destructive way.

I think THAT is more helpful than the 'she is a bitch, leave her' posts, which he clearly isn't going to do right now.

Maybe read what I actually said before you get snippy with the 'ffs'.

Idontseeanyicegiants · 18/06/2014 12:56

So those people giving the OP the third degree about certain details would say the same things to a woman?
Prove it. Go over to relationships, find a poster seeking advice about a controlling abusive husband, second guess every detail and ask them what they're doing to provoke him.
Anyone up for the challenge?

MrsJoeGargery · 18/06/2014 12:57

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Clargo55 · 18/06/2014 13:03

Idont, I would reply exactly the same if a woman had posted this. Why would I not?

I know from first hand experience that women can be just as abusive as men. However, there are things from the OP that I think should be clarified. He doesn't want to leave, he wants practical advice about her behaviour. If he wants that then he really does need to give an example.

I do not condone violence and think if anyone is abused in a relationship then should leave.

APlaceInTheSummer · 18/06/2014 13:09

Idontsee if you do read relationship threads (both on AIBU and in Chat and on relationships) then quite often the OP is asked to clarify points and to give specific examples.

And if a relationship thread starts with a specific example eg dp did this and I said that and where do we go from here? then the follow up posts include questions trying to establish if there is a pattern or a trigger.

JustSpeakSense · 18/06/2014 13:10

You could be describing my sister - she has recently been diagnosed with bipolar, is on medication now and seems to be on a much more even keel these days, her relationship is going better. Unfortunately I will never be able to get over or forgive her for all the awful, vicious and venomous attacks on me over the years (since we were early teens) she has never acknowledged or apologised for any wrong doing to me - it is too late for us, but hopefully her husband and children will benefit from her diagnoses. I wish you all the best, and hope you can shield your children from any damage your wife's outbursts may cause.

Idontseeanyicegiants · 18/06/2014 13:18

Questions are asked, I agree but look at some if these posts and ask yourselves if an abused woman would have been subjected to the same level of questioning.
I've been around under various names for a few years and am yet to see a female abuse victim get this level of doubt.
It's no wonder that many male domestic violence victims don't report it if some of the reactions on here are anything to go by.
OP you personally need some kind of outside real life help.Please try Mankind or some counselling for yourself.

drudgetrudy · 18/06/2014 13:20

You may not be handling this in the optimal way but I have worked in mental health and I think your wife has a recognizable disorder.
There is treatment that could help her and you could also learn more constructive ways of responding.
I would suggest talking to your GP and trying to find a way to encourage her to seek help (perhaps by showing concern for her unhappiness when she is not upset).
If you are don't get support you may have to end the relationship.
Timetoclean is thinking the same as me

LineRunner · 18/06/2014 13:24

Someone very close to me had a first marriage like this. Bloody heartbreaking - he was always under a veil of suspicion that he was the aggressor, when he was desperate to stay for the children.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 13:28

when you come back, could you clarify some of the points.

At the moment all that can be advised it to move out and seek counselling.

No one can put a label on your wife without knowing the full circumstances and no one can suggest a way forward for you when there is violence involved.

WorraLiberty · 18/06/2014 13:31

Exactly LineRunner. Men are often under suspicion when in fact they are the victims. No wonder so much female on male DV goes unreported.

I've lost count of the amount of times someone says their DH or their ex is 'EA', yet I don't think I've ever seen them questioned on it.

Some of this thread reads like a questionnaire that the OP's being asked to fill in.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 13:39

"Some of this thread reads like a questionnaire that the OP's being asked to fill in."

I think my posts look a bit like that. The thing is that if the OP hadn't been so contradictory then there wouldn't need to be any clarification.

Obviously the fact that she hits him is a deal breaker and should be for many people but the OP has said he won't leave despite the violence.

Laying my cards on the table I think, from what the OP has written, there is some fault on both sides but it's very hard to advise not knowing the specifics.

If you want me to take it at face value then my first response still stands.

"I would see if she would be prepared to go to counselling to sort out your problems. Work from there." as clearly he isn't going to leave.

drudgetrudy · 18/06/2014 13:42

I agree that no-one can put a label on someone on the basis of a post on the internet, but if what OP is saying is accurate I DO see a pattern which suggests a mental health issue which could be treated.
I agree that he is getting a rougher ride on here because he is male. Perhaps posting in relationships would get a better response

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 18/06/2014 13:50

I imagine that in relationships where a woman is being abused it can also look like there is 'fault on both sides'.

weegiemum · 18/06/2014 13:58

OP, I don't really know what to say to help, but your description of your wife is very sad. It could have been a description of me 10 years ago.

After I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, I was able to get help with my problems, through a variety of therapies and self help too.

I now function fairly normally, though at times it's a huge effort.

Our family is now a safe, secure space for us all, but it took a huge effort and me really wanting change! I remain in contact with my consultant psychologist and will continue for the foreseeable future with 3-monthly meetings.

I feel for you all - I know my husband (of 19 years) told me I made his life almost intolerable for a long time. I was abusive. But I also know how frightening the inside of my own head was/still sometimes is.

Only you know if you can make it work, and there is no obligation on you to stay if it isn't working for you. You have to act with a certain amount of self-preservation in mind! My dh chose/chooses to stay and I'm grateful, but I would not blame him if it wasn't good for him. He says I'm worth it - if I can ever believe that truly, my therapy will be complete.

Try reading this and see if it agrees with your wife's symptoms.

I wish you both all the best.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 14:00

and the responses went like this...

  1. show her what you have written here and talk to her.
  2. You are being abused, seek help.
  3. link to Mankind
  4. Could it be hormonal? Get her to visit the GP
  5. This behaviour is atrocious, a GP is pointless.
  6. Contact mankind, get you and your kids to safety.
  7. If this was true you would leave, I don't believe this is genuine.
  8. Could it be Bi Polar? Get her to go to the GP. You shouldn't have to put up with this.
  9. Leave. take the children. Tell the police.
10. this is abuse. Leave and seek professional help. 11. Get her help, try counselling, for the sake of yourself and your children. 12. Not sure who is being abusive, is it both of you? Why dont you leave? 13. You say you are scared of her so why do you make fun of her? 14. Poster objecting to responses where people dont believe OP 15. Go to counselling 16. Questions about how often it happens and why 17. Questions again about why he makes fun of her when hes scared of her 18. Argument ensues 19. Questions from me about what is going on in their relationship 20. Question about how critical the OP is of his wife 21. reassurance that the OP doesnt have to stay in the relationship. Concern for his kids. 22. Questions about how he engages with her and what she might do if he just walked away 23. More questions about what he means by arguing, poking fun, her behaviour towards the children 24. Get therapy or split up. 25. Seek counselling and decide if you need to leave. 26. me with more questions ending with does your wife use mumsnet? 27. More suggestions of Bi-Polar and advice for her to see the GP. You are being abused. Write her a letter. 28. request for concrete examples of the behaviour of his wife 29. Go to counselling alone. Stop analysing your wife. Is your wife a mumsnetter? 30. Get a divorce. How is she with the children? 31. request for more detail. 32. If this was a woman you would all be saying the opposite. Leave the Bitch. 33. me posting about why I asked all the questions 34. You need outside help and a separation. 35. Move out 36. Get professional help. 37. OP returns to say he is not an abuser. That poking fun is normal rib-tickling. That he will not consider leaving and he loves his wife. Says they are happy more often than not. Asks how to help her within the home.
FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 14:03

Hardly the mass disbelief that has been suggested!

WorraLiberty · 18/06/2014 14:09

It's the disbelieving undertone that's running through some replies...not to mention the opening post casually being referred to as an 'essay'.

Some posters have of course been nice but others have displayed a lack of empathy that I doubt would be the case if the OP was female.

As for rinabean's post at 10:31:37, well that was disgusting imo but clearly MNHQ must disagree.

HayDayQueen · 18/06/2014 14:17

Ugh, some of these posts are awful!!!!

If you don't believe the op, then just leave the thread!!!

Farty - I have never ever seen a post like yours before, seriously. What a way to 'justify' your own posts.

OP, either ask for this to be moved to Relationships, or just start a new thread in Relationships and leave AIBU and its accompanying awfulness behind you.

wafflyversatile · 18/06/2014 14:17

I was just thinking how your summary shows how different it is when it's a man not a woman.