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Can anyone help a husband in distress?

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goneForSausage · 18/06/2014 10:07

Sorry, long post warning:

I am 46 and my wife is 34. We were married around 5 years ago when she became pregnant. There was a gun-shot wedding and since we have had a little boy who is 2 to add to our daughter is nearly 5. The previous 2 years were quite wonderful, I want to say that I love my wife and I adore our 2 children more than life itself. Most of the time, she is warm, caring, fun and funny, a pleasure to be around at other times she is horrible. It seems she can be nice one minute and quite mean the next, several times in the same day.

There were fights and arguments before, but hey, I thought that was normal, but for the last 4 years it seems like its a whole new ball of wax. These are the characteristics that began not long after the arrival of our first-born;-

Our relationship has been dominated by her frequent rages, including hitting and containing extreme verbal or emotional abuse, it mirrors the behaviour of a child-like temper-tantrum. She takes 2 to 3 days to calm down from one of these and when I try to talk to her about it she usually refuses or will conveniently deflect all blame upon me for making her angry.

She is super-sensitive to the smallest criticism and unintentional slight. If you joke with what might be termed poking fun, she takes it as a personal attack. Her method of fighting back is quite nasty and immature. She never apologises for anything, if she does it is brief and matter-of-fact. Sometimes I think she is only says this out of obligation rather than sincerity.

She lies about things and sometimes appears to be unaware of the fact she is lying at all. Im not sure whether this is a deliberate selective amnesia or whether she genuinely does not know. She accuses me of gaslighting which I believe is a projection and sometimes she tries to rewrite history. I have caught her out several times with this and she then accuses me of making things up or she simply disengages, in both cases it is usually accompanied by a huge outburst of anger. For instance, friends have informed me of her reckless driving. As the mother of my children, I am very concerned about this aspect of her thrill-seeking behaviour. She likes to binge drink and comes home very late at times, she always tells me she is sober and then spends the next day recovering from a hangover. I have stopped asking her what she did and who she was with for fear of another bout of absurd rage. I hate to think she may have been unfaithful, but I believe she is quite capable of revenge sex during these angry other wife phases. If she has, right now I dont want to know, as it seems this may be just part of a much bigger or more important problem per se.

She seeks revenge about perceived things I have done or things that she perceives I have done and generally seems to have a warped reality. At times it feels like she wants me to hate her as the vengeance is out of all proportion compared to the alleged crime. Often the only times I can really know what she is feeling is through her projections, for instance, she has accused me of behaving like a child, sometimes she calls me a little girl (!) when she rages and I try to defend myself. When she says she hates me, I feel quite strongly that she is projecting her own shame or guilt for the way she behaves.

She is controlling and engages in passive-aggressive behaviour all of the time (something else she accuses me of, that and mind-games) I believe that is focused on maintaining control, to the extent of rejecting acts of love and kindness which appear to be cast aside from a feeling of her entitlement, despite her behaviour. She seems to treat these attempts to draw her away from a hate cycle as an attempt at manipulation and has accused me of this directly. If I try to state my case she continually interrupts my thoughts, the object appears to create confusion with regard to my own point of view and to disregard it or to make me out to be the root cause of all the difficulties we have. It comes across as terribly self-centred, in fact the whole thing is very selfish indeed.

I have tried so many times to talk with her about our marital difficulties and she just fires back anger, hate, and above all blame, she uses the most convenient excuse to avoid the topic and can only see things through a negative lens that obliterates all of the good times we have had. When she does raise the issue, it seems she does so with a series of accusations and if only I did this, if only I were like this. All the time my voice is lost in a messy grey fog and nothing is ever fully fixed.

If her friends were to read this, they would probably be in disbelief and could possibly accuse me of being the one who is nasty and corrupted by hate. Around 8/9 months ago we moved to the country so that she could be nearer her old school friends and one of her best friends in particular, who has 2 children of similar age, so I also feel I have sacrificed, again, to appease her. This seems to work for a while, but the old patterns and cycles of behaviour have kicked and the floors of our new abode seem to be covered in egg-shells.

I feel like Im going insane, am I the only one who sees the real person behind the mask, who cuts a miserable, lonely figure seething in hate? Does everyone else, other than me only see a fun-filled, jolly and caring lady? I am convinced that others only see nice wife which is the same wife I long for, to be with me and our lovely children all of the time because she can be utterly adorable at times. Above all, I am scared for our 2 children who I fear may be damaged in some way already and I want to know how I can best help her. I am at a bit of a loss with all of this, help me to help her and our kids please.

In saying all of this, I recognise my own behaviour as a contributing factor, I have also said regrettable things and behaved quite dreadfully out of frustration, injustice and anger. I have blanked her out, dismissed her ridiculous and wild raging fantasies by telling her EXACTLY what I thought of her episodic terrorism in very plain, if not harshly accurate terms. Some of our fights have been monstrous and of course, one person cannot have an argument. What I do know is that there is a cavern of inequality in our relationship and I am clear when I state that whatever I have said and done is utterly dwarfed by the pain and hurt she has inflicted upon me.

At times I do not understand why, but I do still love her in spite of her attempts to systematically drain all love energy and hope from the core of my being. What I also feel is that all this surely is a syndrome or a condition and therefore must have a name bipolarism? Narcissism? Manic depression?

OP posts:
WorraLiberty · 18/06/2014 14:21

I thought exactly the same waffly

ComposHat · 18/06/2014 14:27

I really hope that if some of the vipers posters on this thread ever suffer domestic abuse and violence they aren't treated with the same degree of victim blaming and nastiness thst has surfaced on this thread.it would have been interesting if the post had been written in a gender neutral tone I would bet my life the response would be 'leave the bastard' and they'd be 100 per cent right.

-She may be stressed/unhappy/hormonal/ill

-What have you said to wind her up?

Sound like the comments the worst misogynist apologist scumbags use to justify male on female violence.

Shame on (some) of you.

FartyMcGhee · 18/06/2014 14:27

I am not trying to justify my posts I am just trying to show that it's not been a mass 'we don't believe you' but more a 'leave, leave, leave, get help, it might be bi-polar' kind of response with a few people asking for clarification and one or two saying they don't believe the OP.

I will leave now until the OP posts again tomorrow. Maybe when the OP comes back then he will be able to talk more about why he feels he can't leave and what the alternatives are.

like I have said my advice would be to leave and seek help.

RowanMumsnet · 18/06/2014 14:29

Hello

We've just dropped you a mail Worra, but just to reiterate, we hadn't got around to dealing with your reports from earlier this morning; apologies for the delay. We've deleted a couple of posts now, because we don't think it's really on to accuse the OP of being an abuser on the basis of what has been written here.

WorraLiberty · 18/06/2014 14:37

Thanks Rowan Smile

WellWhoKnew · 18/06/2014 14:52

If leaving is in non-negotiable, you are severely limiting any chance you have of helping her.

What you are saying effectively is: I want to help you, on your terms.

You cannot help a person, if they get to control the terms and conditions of the help.

Only they can make that decision to accept help. That is their fundamental right.

They cannot make a decision to seek help, if they themselves cannot recognise that a problem exists that they need help for.

You cannot force someone to accept your point of view that the situation is as you have defined it.

Your are chasing your tail here. Asking for a medical and behavioural diagnosis from the wrong people (MN!) is going to give you a non-medical, behavioural diagnosis. It may make you feel better that it helps to make sense of the situation.

It doesn't make a jot of difference to the situation.

But I can accept the frustration of trying and trying and trying, and failing. I sympathise with that. I accept your despair. It is truly heartbreaking.

You need to think about the welfare of you, and your children. What are they gaining from this? Sometimes, we have to accept our own helplessness within the situation, and consider the non-negotiables again, providing they are safe and legal, they must be considered. Sometimes, removing ourselves, albeit temporarily, gives us a perspective that we couldn't have before.

The situation is not going to change as long as the other person has to agree to take action to change it, and you have not yet found a way. If there is no benefit for them to change, there is nothing that will compel them to change.

I'm not saying LTB, but I am saying if things are so bad, what possible justification is there for keeping things the same? Like anyone, we stay becomes of our own sense of helplessness, of wanting things to be different, and not recognising that the problems are much bigger than we realise. We stay because the consequences of leaving seem much worse.

You are on a board, where actually, for many of us it is the fear of change that paralyses us, not the reality of change, which liberates us.

I hope that comes across as gender neutral, as it is intended to be.

IsItMeOr · 18/06/2014 15:09

Blush sorry, that was me with the "essay" remark. Reading back I can see that was unhelpful. Thanks for drawing it to my attention worra.

I agree with others who have said that we cannot diagnose your wife for you. Maybe she is ill, but if she doesn't want to do anything about it, you are still stuck.

I am concerned that you are so unhappy and yet absolutely ruling out leaving in a situation that is sounding very volatile, where you have been hit. That's not good.

It is no good for an abuser to be allowed to continue abusing. You would be doing your wife no favours if you allow her to hurt you more.

DenzelWashington · 18/06/2014 15:17

I mentioned not knowing whether to take your thread at face value OP, and I apologise for how that sounded. I was thinking of rinabean's initial post which was just before mine.

TheOneWithTheHair · 18/06/2014 15:25

This is the strangest thread ever.

My advice to you, op, is to request this get deleted and repost in relationships.

Squidstirfry · 18/06/2014 17:13

OP, I agree with TheOneWith you get some strange and 'troll-ish' posters in AIBU. Ribenabean really was not helpful, and I think that started the thread off on the wrong foot... The relationships bunch are far more helpful.

I wish you the best, but for people who experience DV / EA, there is not a lot you can actually do to change your partners behavior.

If as others have suggested, if it turns out your wife has bipolar / borderline then that's at least a reason, but it involves active participation in wanting to change from your W and further involvement of therapists / specialists which takes time and genuine wish for change.

From what you have posted, she hurls blame at you and anger when you suggest all is not 100% in your relationship.

If you can reassure her that her behavior is not normal, it is damaging, you are not against her and you are trying to help her maybe she will help herself in changing for the sake of your family, but if this were a woman posting about her H, no one would be advising stick around to find out.

HayDayQueen · 18/06/2014 17:18

What a lot of posters seem to forget is the default expectation here is that the wife will get the greater share of custody of any children.

So if she is abusive, then he will be leaving his DC to spend the majority of their time with an abusive ex, who could then do her utmost to stop him having ANY relationship with the DC.

How many women don't leave abusive partners because of the threat that their DC will be taken away?!

Hardly surprising that abused men wouldn't see leaving as the best option. It's just not an easy option for them.

ItHasANiceRingWhenYouLaugh · 18/06/2014 17:46

All the more reason to contact Mankind. They can advise in a much more helpful way than we can.

For what it is worth, I was hideous to live with when I had PTSD. But my husband setting boundaries was really important for my recovery. I also knew I was ill and wanted to get help.

Best of luck, Op.

NickiFury · 18/06/2014 17:48

Actually I have seen women subjected to exactly this kind of nit picking and disbelief here in AIBU. It's the place he posted not that he's a man.

OP your description of your wife reminds me of my Mum. I haven't read the entire thread and will do so now but if you think she's not doing similar to your children you are very very wrong.

ComposHat · 18/06/2014 23:42

Actually I have seen women subjected to exactly this kind of nit picking and disbelief here in AIBU

Really? About a domestic violence case?

wafflyversatile · 18/06/2014 23:52

I haven't ever seen this sort of response to a female OP saying their partner hits them or rages at them. Obviously I haven't seen every thread.

NoodleOodle · 19/06/2014 01:05

Your partner throws toddler like temper tantrums and hits you - this would be reason enough to leave, taking the children with you, if it were me.

What is putting you off leaving, would you have anywhere to go where the children could come with you?

If you still want a relationship, could you leave with the children now, and say that you'll return after the relationship has been worked on and you'll never be in a position where you'll be hit, ever again?

NoodleOodle · 19/06/2014 01:15

At the very least, tell her you should not have to feel scared in your own home and that if she hits you again, you will have no option but to call the police. And then actually do it. Being assaulted is a horrible thing to endure, compounded when you have feelings for the aggressor, but assault is assault and you have a right not to be hit. Also, if you report all assaults, there will be evidence to support you if you ever needed to raise the issue of her violence in a custody case in the future.

PrincessBabyCat · 19/06/2014 01:20

Hmm.. that sounds very similar to my mother growing up. She was really sweet one minute and flying off the handle for no reason the next. It turned out she had undiagnosed PTSD.

That said, even if she does have MH problems, she is still accountable for her actions. She obviously needs to get help, but whether this is at the expense of you sticking around and being the object of her aggression or on her own time is something only you can decide.

My parents marriage managed to survive because my mother wanted to get help. It won't work if your wife thinks the status quo is fine. She may need an ultimatum to get help or you'll leave.

But you absolutely should NOT be putting up with this crap from her.

Meerka · 19/06/2014 07:55

Reading this, honestly, Relationships is a better place to post

on line diagnosis is a pretty pointless game but ( buuuuuut here we go ) Borderline Personality Disorder did occur to me too. Which is a disorder with a good prognosis, with the giant proviso that as weegieMum's moving post said, the person has to really want to change.

As it is, your marriage sounds a nightmare.

Will your wife be genuinely open to the idea of change? If so, then well, there can be hope. But it will be a long haul if it really is BPD. if she isn't, im afraid that yes, you and the children have a big problem. PMing you.

NickiFury · 19/06/2014 07:58

Yes, really.

Meerka · 19/06/2014 08:17

oops forgot to say - it really sounds like imposing boundaries is necessary. Keeping calm as best you can (have you got any good friends you can unload to?) and keeping consistent. ALmost like being a parent to her :s but at the same time taking her seriously. Tricky!

goneForSausage · 20/06/2014 06:53

Thanks for all replies, even if some of these are from a biased lens. On reflection, I find this more amusing that insulting.

I simply wanted to try and get my own lens with some sort of sensible definition - perhaps the female perspective rather that a definition that can be fit into a box with a big pink bow, to then step back and say "there, that's it" :)

It is the understanding I was seeking and yeah, it seems to fit emotional dysregulation (bpd) more than bi-polar or post traumatic thingamyjigs. It doesn't have to fit tightly and neatly.

OP posts:
Szeli · 20/06/2014 10:09

Is she ever willing to discuss her actions, post episode?

See how she responds to the idea of approaching the GP suggesting a referral.

My partner seems quite similar to yours, and I too don't wish to leave. After a few conversations and 'rehashing' of fights we have sought help and is on the waiting list for cbt and counselling.

This has helped us loads; but this is my house and you are in yours

sarinka · 20/06/2014 11:32

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

HayDayQueen · 20/06/2014 11:40

No Sarinka - it is NOT to have dissenting voices when it comes to domestic violence. EVER!

Would you say to a female victim 'you're a big girl, deal with it'?!

If you don't believe him, stay off the thread.

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