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To ask what is your instinctive response to hearing a child is Home Educated?

999 replies

NickiFury · 12/06/2014 16:31

I am really interested to hear general opinions from everyone and hoping for some from professionals such as teachers etc. I really want to know what people think because in the main in RL, the response is overwhelmingly negative. I've had people threaten to call SS on me because ds isn't in school, been told it's "weird" and seen this Confused face a lot.

Now to me home education is a totally normal thing but I suspect this is only because we are immersed in this world and know lots of other HE families (you'd be surprised how many are out there).

What has made me think about this was a friend telling me today that people in our community know of me and ds without ever having met us because we are notorious as that woman who doesn't send her kid to school ShockGrin.

Btw I also have a child who does go to school and is doing well but no one seems to gossip about that.

So what would YOU think if you someone told you their child is home educated?

Thanks Smile.

OP posts:
InAnotherLife · 15/06/2014 17:00

Thank you Tilly Thanks

Mammuzza · 15/06/2014 17:00

InAnotherLife

Oh love. I am so very, very sorry.

(((((massive hug))))

Hurr1cane · 15/06/2014 17:02

There are specialist autism schools yes.

The one is my particular authority has had parents taken to going to the media about the horrific abuse that the children suffer in that school. The lea continue to cover it up for some unknown reason.

This is the only autism school in the LEA. The only choice for most other than HE.

I, luckily, know enough people to name drop and keep DS out of there. If that didn't work, I would HE.

magicalriff · 15/06/2014 17:44

Are you in the US, Inanotherlife? Just with your mentioning homeschooling.

InAnotherLife · 15/06/2014 18:02

Thanks Mammuzza Thanks.

magicalriff Don't want to get too specific as will make me more identifiable, but essentially half my childhood was spent in the UK and half elsewhere (not US though).

magicalriff · 15/06/2014 18:12

Sorry also to the OP and other people mentioning abuse, though they were not home ed.

KeeperOfBees · 15/06/2014 18:23

I will HE DS when he finishes primary,with a tutor.

bronya · 15/06/2014 18:31

InAnotherLife That's horrific! So sorry, I hope your adult life has more than made up for your unhappy childhood.

BeatriceBean · 15/06/2014 19:41

Keeper - that's interesting. When I was thinking of homeschooling I would homeschool primary but use secondary subject expertise for exams

GrouchyKiwi · 15/06/2014 20:00

Have found this thread fascinating. We're considering HE our DD at Primary level because she's very bright and the schools around us have very big classes. We can't afford private education.

Keeping options open at this stage, and if we moved to a different area then would readdress as well, but I'm certainly leaning towards HE. DH is less convinced.

GrouchyKiwi · 15/06/2014 20:02

Meant to add, IME with larger schools the brighter children fall through the cracks like the ones with difficulties do. When my parents moved us to a smaller school it was much, much better for us. Don't have the same option here, at this time, but if we move out of the city then a village school might be ideal.

teacherwith2kids · 15/06/2014 20:09

Grouchy,

For me, it was the small village primary that turned v. bright DS from a 4 year old who could read fluently, add and subtract 3 digit and negative numbers etc into a 6 year old selective mute.

The big town school with classes of 30 and year groups of 60 we rejoined after HE was absolutely brilliant for him. Key thing to look out for is peer group - a bigger school (obviously depending a bit on intake) has a much greater ossibility of near-peers for 'outlier' children and as a result can be much more successful for them. The emphasis in ofsted etc now is very much on 'prghress at an individual child level', so a bright child who doersn't progress to v. high levels looks very bad for the school. Certainly v. bright but spiky DS did excellently at the end of Y6, as has less exceptional but still very bright DD.

DOMN'T judge schools on what they were like for you as a child. they genuiinely aren't like that now - you may think worse, you may think bertter, but absolutely NOT the same. Go and look at them before you decide because you could be surprised.

GrouchyKiwi · 15/06/2014 20:12

Thanks, teacher, that's interesting. We'll definitely check out the local schools before making a decision - DH would make me even if I didn't want to. ;)

teacherwith2kids · 15/06/2014 20:41

You can do some interesting data analysis on league table info to narrow down your school seach if you have an 'outlier' child as well - it's not magic or infallible, but it might give you a starting point (always supposing that you do have a genuine choice). I certainly narrowed the search for DS's second school from 'anywhere in town x' to 'one of these 4 schools' very rapidly, even though quite a few more had excellent Ofsteds.

BasketzatDawn · 15/06/2014 22:39

Tilly, can I just remind you the people on here doing second degrees aren't 'smug' for so doing. There will be all kinds of reasons why too.

AND, possibly the most important point of all, if you need to be angry and disappointed at somebody, then it sounds like you should be angry at your mother. I am truly sorry your experience of HE was so negative. And I wish you well with your efforts to get your education back on track. But just because it was a negative experience for you does not mean it will be similar for other HEers.

Most of us who are posting here are working very hard to ensure our children don't end up as bitter as you appear to be that they were HE'd. So far, for mine it's' been a success. HE did not stop my 3rd son from getting into a RG uni to study sciences - he did have a slightly odd collection of courses but it did include the equivalent of A level Chemistry. Unis really do look at 'unconventional' backgrounds much more positively now. HEers can even get into med school.

The daughter of a friend (she was HE throughout and had never sat an exam) - and I guess she is similar in age to you, late 20s/early30s - got into uni to do Science after an Access course. All these things are possible for able and confident young people. The problems may be exacerbated by lack of parental support - but that wasn't the case for my friend's dd, or indeed for mine. I hope. Grin She and her brothers as teens and young adults really helped me see HE as a positive move when we needed to take ds4 out of school.

BeatriceBean · 15/06/2014 22:45

We preferred a bigger primary for my bright daughter - they set for literacy and numeracy across the classes so she is in a set with other higher flyers for those periods but in mixed groups for some other things. Much bigger pool of people to choose from.

magicalriff · 15/06/2014 22:58

Agree with everything Basketzat dawn has said!

TillyTellTale · 16/06/2014 00:33

Basketz That poster was smug. No doubt about it, dearie.

And really, get your own words. If I'm going to have to read psychobabble and poorly done amateur psychology, I prefer it to be original. Otherwise it's like reading a 'Pick-Up Artist' forum while playing a drinking game- you have a shot for every use of hypergamy, neg, etc, and by the end of page 5 of a thread, you're utt...ly sh...loshed.

Now, try again with the reading comprehension. You keep building little strawmen that claim I deny that HE can ever work. Yes, I'm criticising something you have emotional investment in. That's the time when it's most important to listen. I do deny that certain types of H "E" can work, jjust as I am doggone certain that the biscuits in the biscuit jar disappeared through the children eating them. Not because a poltergeist mashes them into a carpet.

I am happy to accept some forms can work, and I have done so. I have repeatedly acknowledged the Oxbridge graduates. I do not pretend they do not exist, because to do otherwise would mean denying the evidence of my own eyes. Nor do I belittle their achievements by taking them for granted and refusing to acknowledge the work they put in.

However, claiming it always works would also mean denying the evidence of my own eyes. Again, I'm not just referring to my own circumstances here. If I had one particular friend's circumstances and had chosen the latter course of action, and was on this thread, defending HE, how would you react to my posts? I suspect you'd all love it, and I certainly wouldn't hear anything about how I was 'banging a drum'. Grin

Before I continue, check your John Holt books and brochures about HE-ing and how it produces independently-minded people who don't response to peer pressure. Turns out that bit came true. Smile Right now, this is a tad unfortunate for you. You can throw 70 HEing parents making passive-aggressive remarks about bitterness at me, and I'm going to be pretty much as bothered as when Louise Fergus* said cool girls smoked. I may well take the opportunity to be patronising back, though. Fair warning!

Yes, I have worked out that my mother had some degree of free will in her educational decisions for me, and that she was not a marionette controlled by mumsnetters years in the future through the internet that hadn't been invented yet, and the computer we didn't have. Similarly, you also have free will. You have free will to type the things you do (many of which I've heard before), and you can choose to read or not read when I point out the flaws in any posts here. At the moment, there seems to be a lot of compromising, in that you half-read my posts. In the best traditions of compromises, the result is that everyone's dissatisfied.

I do wonder if you'd be reacting to my posts in such a way if I was male. At present, sounds like you're one step away from asking me if I'm hysterical, hormonal or suggesting I seek counselling. I'm rather happy with honesty, as previously mentioned. I am neither the Rah-Rah-Everything IS BRILLLIANT teen I once was, or the My-Life-Is-OooovEEEER young adult I was.

As mentioned, I'm not feeling inspired by the reading comprehension at present. Something's rotten in the state of Mumsnet! I did not say that HEed kids couldn't become doctors, I said 5 GCSEs would limit their choices of medical schools, and that if the wrong five GCSEs were pursued, you then have a bit of a hurdle to take science A-levels. A breathless "HEers can even get into med school" does not really contradict that point. Unless you're going to hold up post-graduate medicine up as an ideal, now? A route that should definitely exist, for the profession's good, the good of wider society, and the benefit of individuals, but if any of my children decide they want to go into medicine, I'd like them to have a crack at getting in for their first degree.

Access to HE courses are great, and have improved social mobility, and allnthat jazz, especially for those wanting/needing a change of career or whom were failed by their school, mand I am very pleased your friend's DD achieved her goals. But seeing as you brought them up, would you mind giving the audience a complete list of commonly available access courses and areas of study covered?

TillyTellTale · 16/06/2014 00:34

*Not her real name. I wouldn't identify her like that!

magicalriff · 16/06/2014 00:37

Tilly, you've been chippy (can't think of a better word) throughout this whole thread. And continued to read undertones into a person's post in spite of their protestations.

I've found it, frankly, bizarre. Just leave people alone.

magicalriff · 16/06/2014 00:40

And giving Flowers to the home educated person who said they had been abused, but ignoring the other posters who also suffered abuse, albeit in an institution.

magicalriff · 16/06/2014 00:42

Abuse suffered while, not in, school

Sorry for use of 'institution' I don't mean it in a negative way. Honestly!

magicalriff · 16/06/2014 00:43

"Yes, I have worked out that my mother had some degree of free will in her educational decisions for me, and that she was not a marionette controlled by mumsnetters years in the future through the internet that hadn't been invented yet, and the computer we didn't have. Similarly, you also have free will."

Come on, this is getting silly now.

TillyTellTale · 16/06/2014 01:40

magicalriff You really aren't sure how to deal with me, are you? I've been on this thread a while. I don't actually get chippy as you term it, on Friday, after 17:14.

TillyTellTale: "Sadly toothurty and atia, as a grown-up, ex-home-educated-child, I do recognise the descriptions.

Sometimes home-ed turns out great, and people go to Oxbridge. Sometimes it doesn't go so well."

AtiaoftheJulii Fri 13-Jun-14 17:14:04: "Tilly I'm sorry you didn't have a good experience - I'm not trawling back through the thread for more details if you've given them, but do you think HE was the only thing wrong with your childhood?

I also don't quite see the logic (though I certainly understand the feeling) of arguing that if it didn't work for you, then no one can do it well. "

Never been that tolerant of posts that ignore my careful qualifications and attempts to be fair. Never will be. Soz.

I'm sorry if you take it as a personal insult if I retired from engaging with certain sub-topics in this thread. I do not think the abuse of home-educated children is more important than anyone else's, but I also didn't think the conversation was going to go anywhere good in the mood I was in. I am utterly certain that the particular people I know and care about, who were abused within a home environment within recent years, would have been rescued if they had not been home-educated, in a similar manner to the other acquaintances I have who also suffered abuse, and for whom it was picked up by school.

Past posters were, due to their own circumstances, denying the use of schools. As I also happen to know and care about people whose abuse was missed by schools, generally pre-2000 at least, if not 1990, I can entirely sympathise with that point of view. But it is a delicate discussion I don't have when I'm feeling "chippy".

Flowers for all who have suffered abuse in all its forms.

magicalriff · 16/06/2014 02:14

"You really aren't sure how to deal with me, are you?"

See, this is just plain odd? What ever can you mean. Your little rant about marionettes made more sense Grin

No, I haven't taken any personal insult whatsoever (why would I?) but I don't like the manner in which you've been speaking to others. E.g. Basket's post wasn't deserving of the insulting diatribe she has just been delivered, nor was Atia or anybody else. I tackled you about that earlier in the thread (you were still saying "I see the subtext" after being told otherwise!)

I have found your attitude towards others on this thread to be chippy, over the top, and just generally unpleasant. I doubt you can be reasoned with, however. So I shan't try.

Again (I may not have already said this actually disclaimer*) I'm sorry home education was not a pleasant experience for you and I honestly wish you well in now being able to achieve your ambitions.