To be absolutely steaming about having a free copy of the Sun delivered by Royal Mail?

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I know I am not BU. I am going to post it back to Sun HQ in an unstamped envelope ( will probably tear it into pieces before I do). Who will join me?

Yes people we get the "unstamped threat" by now.

If you don't put the correct postage on, pretty sure you just get a postcard saying pay the difference to receive the mail..... Which they won't.

I like to think all the people saying get over it are too young or stupid to comprehend what a hideous tragedy Hillsborough was, and how disgracefully the Sun behaved. And the mud they flung stuck, people thought for years 'there's no smoke without fire' and 'typical scousers' etc etc. It didnt just effect liverpudlians, I was in a pub in NI when it happened, the whole pub watching silently as events unfolded, it was horrific. There are things which shouldn't be got over or forgotten and the Sun's treatment of the Hillsborough victims is one such thing. Shame on anyone saying otherwise.

The Sun's so-called reporting of Hillsborough, in leading the way in falsely blaming the victims for being complicit in their own deaths and the survivors of grotesque behaviour affected all football fans, compounding as it did the image of us all (rather than a small but dangerous minority) as mindless hooligans and "justifying" our treatment as criminals and second-class citizens on match day.

It was Liverpool who suffered - and continues to suffer, until the results of the new inquest are known - but every fellow football supporter I know who lived through 15th April 1989 has a "there but for the grace of God" feeling which means we stand alongside Liverpool fans in empathy and outrage on their behalf.

Other newspapers are not entirely blameless, but The Sun was the worst. What it said about dying children and traumatised supporters was obscene and unforgivable. It wasn't just that it was wrong, was lies - it actively set back the quest for truth and justice. It turned the focus from the failings of authority onto the victims themselves and painted them, entirely untruthfully, as "typical football yobs" who brought tragedy on themselves. It was complicit. It took what it was fed by South Yorks Police and not just swallowed it but regurgitated it in the foulest way, without the tiniest attempt at actual journalism, even though what it was given was at odds with TV footage of the event and the repeated assurances by Des Lynam on the 15th April's Match of the Day that the fans were not to blame.

Yes, other newspapers followed the party line afterwards, but they aren't being pushed through my door unsought on Thursday. And sticking it in my recycling box does not express my feelings of utter contempt strongly enough.

Anyone who thinks this is some trendy lefty-liberal cause that people should just "get over" and "stop bleating about" needs to a) show some fucking empathy for the families whose loved ones were falsely accused of contributing to their own deaths and who still don't have an official verdict which reflects what actually happened, b) educate themselves about Hillsborough and the role of The Sun instead of shrugging dismissively with a lazy "ach, they're all just as bad", and if you can't or won't do that, then c) shut the fuck up.

JFT96. YNWA.

Tabloids are the lowest of the low within the paper industry

The Sun newspaper's '1,200 killed by mental patients' headline labelled 'irresponsible and wrong'

another example of picking on the vulnerable and increasing the potential harm to a section of the population

The Sun was also criticised for not giving enough space to figures that showed those suffering from mental illness are up to ten times more likely to be the victim of a crime than the average person.
Paul Burstow MP ?wrote: “Truth is people with mental health problems more likely to be victims of crime NOT perpetrators of crime."
The Sun’s managing editor Stephen Abell defended the paper’s coverage of the figures, tweeting: "But read full copy: call for better communication between agencies; piece by m-health charity; story on ill as victims?"

Select - absolutely brilliant post. Feel completely inarticulate after reading that .

Select 100% agree, especially point (c)

JFT96

Whilst there are other excellent points made here about tabloid and broadsheet reporting issues the free mailshot version of the sun is the subject of the thread?

I wholeheartedly support everything you've said Select
I wish there was a Like button for your post.

for Select.

I'm from Liverpool but living in Lancashire.

I'm not sure whether to ask the Postman to take the paper away or to send in back in an unstamped envelope.

I'd quite like to hand out addressed envelopes to the neighbours actually...

Would that look manic?

They won't get the post back, they just won't pick it up. You'd be doing over Royal Mail!

They especially won't get it back if you send them to the address given earlier. They haven't been there for about 8 years

Won't bother sending it back if that's the case.

Although if Royal Mail take any action against postal workers who won't deliver it then I will send it unstamped as a protest for the workers.

Wouldn't it be better to do some sort of placard holding photo twitter thing?

....just put it in the fucking bin. Jesus.

You do realise that without these mailshots Royal Mail would go under?

Can't you make your point without swearing at me Nancy?

You're getting more worked up over my thoughts on The Sun than I am about the actual issue.

And I didn't say Royal Mail should have refused to work did I? I know it's in trouble. My problem would be if it took action against any workers that didn't want to deliver it.

Errr - wasn't directed at you Koala and def not 'worked up'. Amused, yes

'Amused, yes'

Never has Select's point (c) been more appropriate.

Disgusting.

Myself I'll prob actually read it, it's free, see what all the fuss is about. Mind you I'm a daily mail online reader! Wrey!

On your logic Nancy, perhaps the Royal Mail could mailshot the entire country for the BNP, anti-abortion organisations, fur coats shops, or other topics that people may be passionately against, just as long as the RM doesn't go under, who gives a shit? We can all be grateful that the Royal Mail is still in business and everyone should just put anything they find offensive in the bin and say nothing... like bloody sheep.
The RM isn't mailing Liverpool postcodes or Warrington so it already knows there is some controversy in its decision. But as long as it is making its money eh?

Yes! Yes! that is EXACTLY my logic. Well done. you're very clever.

See point (c)

The most telling thing about the Sun is how popular it is. Millions of people buy it, so they must agree with it. That's very sad.

So Nancy we should accept the paper for the sake of the Royal Mail?

And I'm still waiting for the link to back-up your earlier 'quiz' question...

You don't have to 'accept' it You can choose to not look at it, you can choose to never buy it. Does anyone want any of the junk mail they get delivered?

I don't have a link - just insider knowledge.

I'm not trying to minimise the Sun's guilt, but just to say that it does not actually represent or embody the views it reported at the time. In fact it's retracted those views. Therefore it is not like BNP or anti abortion organisation who have very clear and controversial views.