Smoking

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I'm 36 and have been being treated for breast cancer for the past 9 months. I was diagnosed when DC3 was 8 weeks.
I've had 6 months of chemo, a bilateral mastectomy and now I'm doing the radiotherapy bit. AIBU not to want to walk through clouds of smoke at the entrance to the oncology centre?
I get that people are addicted. I've smoked myself and both parents do. It's just that I feel really pissed off when I see both staff and patients puffing away.
I was going to get cancer anyway - I have the BRCA2 gene, but these people don't have to get it. I just want to shake them.

Oh, pubes, Logical didnt say this is the lung of the smoker who stood outside the hospital door today, they are making a valid point on diseased lungs of smokers.

inspace the pic was to convey the sentiment I wrote alongside it - see my first post. pubes I think you mis-read it.

inspace evidently you really have no place participating in a conversation of the calibur.

Why do stupid children deserve to die?
That's an odd thing to garner!!

Well you said it, grumpy -

Stupid for having gotten addicted. Oh and I know lots of stupid children...

2/3 of smokers started as children. It will kill half of them.

Ohhh, we're conveying sentiments!

That makes a lot more sense. I thought we were discussing science, hence my confusion.

Please do carry on with the emotive, context-free images.

BUt pubes what about the other half who wont die? I'm including them in my statement too.
So, how have I said stupid children deserve to die?
I know many stupid children who DONT smoke. Do they deserve to die too?
Dollop.

Btw I my post was "anyone that chooses to this to their body is stupid, anyone that inflicts it on other is selfish"

I made no comment on where they want to disease themselves. And really don't care, as long as I don't have to walk through their byproduct every morning

It's 'calibre' Logical.

And will those 2/3 of smokers who started as children of which half of these will die, die as a child?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!??!?!?!?!?!
So, no, children dont deserve to die, smokers will hasten their end.
Please do not insinuate anything on my behalf plenty of pubes. Many thanks. x

If I wasn't posting on my phone I might well have been tempted to link some papers. But quite frankly it would be lost on the fickle majority here.

The issue was smoking in public places, and I still don't see how it van be justified to any extent

Logical, what did you say your job was? I used to work in a medical lab. Doesn't make me a scientist.

Yes logical, links to scientific papers would be lost on us, seeing as how we're inexplicably stupid

Logical didnt specify their job, i did!
Sorry inspace.
All medical labs need someone to take the rubbish out...

Lol, inspace we call those people tea makers.

I have work in the morning, so signing off. I didn't state my profession actually, but I am a clinical scientist.

Night all

...take the rubbish out/turn the lights onand off/ polish the worktops/ replenish the surgical gloves...

Ah so you were guessing were you? Or you know them in real life?

Logical are you an MLSO? Just interested

Not much of a guess. She/he cuts up cancerous tissue. Im a cleaner. But my time at school not only made me a non smoker and a non enabler of smokers but also a cross between columbo, poirot and Miss fucking marple...
It has been fun inspace, but you should change your view on the rights of smokers seriously! Its not too late to join us... the dark side! LOL

I'm also doubting Logical is actually a scientist...anyone with an undergraduate degree would know that there are many more factors involved than just exposure to 'cigarette smoke' (or indeed exposure to lots of different carcinogens) that determine whether one gets cancer or not

Also that nicotine addiction is much much more complicated than just the physical addiction - and I am pretty sure even the mechanics of that isn't that well understood...in fact the mechanics of all addictions.
If it was that simple we could simply lock up all smokers for 3.5 weeks - so over the physical addiction - and they'd be 'cured' - cheaper than providing nicotine patches etc or treatment for smoking induced ailments
Same for alcoholics or drug addicts ...
That comment reminded me of the kind of person that tells someone with clinical depression they just need to pull their socks up and get out more....

Not read the whole thread.

OP you are not BU.
On a side not I absolutely despise seeing the pregnant women standing outside hospital entrances and smoking.
Wrong on so many levels but that's another debate entirely.

Good luck with your treatment.

Logical: After you cut up a pregnant mother with cancer you tend to lose sympathy for those who don't care for others

Sounds made up doesnt it?!

Lets teach all pupils at school from the age of 5 that IF THEY SMOKE-
they will be hideously afflicted with an addiction that will destroy every ounce of self-control they have. It will force them, even if pregnant with a foetus in their womb to suck toxin added fumes derived from dried plant leaves into their lungs.
Or when they are made ill by these fags and need a limb amputated or their cancer is terminal they will still be forced to light one up in their hospice doorway.
Lets teach these 5 year olds that a third of those amongst them who are arrogant and pious and up themselves will not start smoking as a child and will then look down on the two thirds who do smoke and call them tortuous names like 'stupid' and 'selfish'.
We must tell them there will walk amongst them humans who although they do not smoke themselves will enable the stupid smokers and make comfortable excuses for them so as to lessen their guilt.
Every child should be shown pictures of 'slightly diseased' lungs next to pictures of some non-smoking smug arse of a tit, smiling because 'they don't smoke'.
How dare them non-smokers not smoke! Don't they know? Don't they know,it is but an addiction?
Only once every British 5 year old has been taught what an incredibly thoughtless act cigarette smoking is, will we find the huge public outcry for 'smoking sheds' on hospital grounds fade from memory and become obsolete.

enclosed outside smoking rooms

We have to feel most angry at the cigarette companies for it is those bastards who put nicotine and cyanide in cigarettes to make them so addictive that a human being would wish to be "smoked alive" in an enclosed space to satisfy that addiction

Let us continue being angry because it is the best way of saving future generations from this. My DSS is really anti smoking and so are all his friends Thank goodness our children can see things with new fresh eyes to break the cycle.

I have lost parents and my husband through cancer and heart disease so it does influence how I feel

I judge the behaviour not the person but it is difficult to separate the two especially in the scenario the OP describes. I remember in the days when tube trains had a smoking carriage and I reasoned as a 12 year old that the state of the carriage must be like my dad's lungs as he puffed away day in day out I haven't had him for 20 years so smoking deprived me of that precious person. Do I feel angry at my dad? Yes I do I used to beg him as a child not to I just didn't understand that it is an addiction

Only the weak willed don't give up? What a lot of utter pants. I had cancer treatment three years ago, and since then have had about eight more surgeries, leaving me on morphine, oramorph, OxyContin, codeine phosphate for months at a time. I'm great at withdrawing from them, oh and tramadol and diazepam too.

I'm now three months cigarette free and am appalled when I go into my wardrobe- some of my clothes STILL smell of smoke. I was paranoid like this when I was a smoker too, I NEVER smoked before work as we are often helping clients hold animals, I think it's really unprofessional to stink when you're that close. I'm on an e-cig now and tapering down nicotine. This is by far the hardest drug I've had to come off, and weeks months later you can still get a craving. There should be smoking shelters away from doors of hospitals, and also vaping shelters too.

You know what, Grumpy? In spite of the ridiculous frothing in your most recent post here, some of it at least is the most sensible thing you have said on this thread.

I don't think we impress nearly enough on children just how addictive smoking is. Telling them all about the deadly diseases they will likely get in later life doesn't have that much impact because when you are a child anybody over 30 is just about a dinosaur anyway - you cannot imagine yourself at the age (40, 50, 60) when those diseases will typically strike.

Addiction, otoh, is highly likely to affect them within months, weeks or even days of starting smoking - well within the timescale they can imagine, and even without all the other health risks it's bloody miserable. Most youngsters want more control over their lives, not less, and I don't think we make enough of this point when talking to children about smoking.

I heard that nicotine is more addictive than heroin, that's what I tell my children. I think the addiction is more immediate, you want another hit sooner than you want another heroin hit. It has far less impact on the brain, obvs but the addiction part comes very soon after.

I feel I want another one after only passive smoking even now after I have been fag free for 15 years. And I am convinced they have tobacco smoke smell stronger and somehow sweeter, i can smell it a mile away.