to think the 'common law/freeman on the land' thing is a whole load of bollocks?

[qwertypop]

I've come across a few people over the last few years that take it very seriously and bang on at length about how the police and courts have no authority over them as they are self declared 'freemen'. Something to do with common law being the only true law in Britain, I think? And not having to wear bike helmets or pay for TV licenses or repay your debts also seem important to the ones I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting.

A couple I met at the weekend have taken the biscuit though and not registered their baby's birth because apparently this will mean said baby grows up to be a 'freeman' (she's actually a girl but the term appears to be freeman anyway). They believe quite firmly that to register her birth will mean that the law assumes her and her name (which is a fucking corker, of course) are one and the same and that only by NOT registering her birth can she be free to be a human being. Quite what this actually means is a mystery to me and tbh the mumbo jumbo they gave me by way of an answer leads me to suspect they don't really know either

I've tried to read up on it but all the info I can find is written in a style you'd expect of an paranoid, delusional, and possibly hallucinating chimpanzee let loose with a legal dictionary.

So AIBU to think this is bollocky woo of the most fucking ridiculous type? Or is someone going to come along and actually enlighten me as to wtf its all about, preferably in plain English with no pseudo-legalese?

[BeaglesAbout]

There is a very fine Canadian judgement on FOTL (or their equivalent) which I highly recommend as a way of demystifying the whole thing.
The point is of course that it's meant to be very mysterious and shrouded in secret codes and archaic phraseology. Nothing new in that.
In essence, the FOTL shtick boils down to this: if you say the correct phrases and write the correct words you are released from your financial and other legal obligations.
And you can see why people who are desperate really, really want to believe it. Who can blame them?
But - of course - it's 24kt BS.
As a lawyer for 20+ years, believe me if there was a magical phrase that got my clients out of their obligations, I'd know it. in fact, if the magic phrase existed and I did NOT know it, my clients could sue me!
[I would say that of course as a member of the Illuminati or Mossad or something, will say the FOTL]

[Hbirthday]

I would just like to say when you were born your parents registered your birth and by doing that you then were classed as dead at sea and you were given a fictitious name which is your name but all in capitals and your birth certificate was then put on the stock market and you are used as a commodity so the elites can make money out of you. Little do you know you don’t own any thing at all not even your kids. Because by registering you at birth your parents gave away all your rights, that why authorities can just walk into your house and remove your kids with out having a reason to do so. So rather than it being fing ridiculous it is a fact on any council...court....or police letters your name will be in capitals or even your grave stone because they own you believe it or not you are a strawman GO TO commonlawcourt.com register and take your birth certificate and your fictitious name back and become a living man or woman on the land and not dead at sea under maritime law statutes known as the royalty’s law you need to be under the law of the land COMMON LAW EVERY THING IN LIFE HAS BEEN A CON SO THEY CAN BE RICH WHILE NORMAL HARD WORKING LAW ABIDING PEOPLE ARE ROBED OF THERE FREEDOM LIBERTYS AND WEALTH SO THEY CAN KEEP YOU UNDER CONTROL WHILE YOU LET THEM DO IT THEY WILL CARRY ON YOU HAVE FREEWILL USE IT AND TAKE YOUR LIFE BACK BRAKE THE CHAINS THAT BIND YOU TO THEM. GOOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS. GERALDINE🙂☀️🌈

[autumnalramblings]

probably outing but my ex neighbour was a "freeman of the land" told me to stop paying my mortgage as i didn't need to as the mortgage company don't have any authority to repossess my house

Told me i didn't own my name the crown did and essentially we are all dead until proven otherwise then mentioned something along the lines of when you are in court you need a solicitor to represent you because you are not "living" in the eyes of the law and then something about the dock in court representing a ship or something? I switched off quite a lot as he was bonkers

He had a sign on his door that said if you are the police or the council or some other authority, and knock without a signed warrant from the courts (which must be in WET ink) then you have to pay him £1k and by knocking they acknowledge this

Then he mentioned something about that during the times of the plague and people were dying and not leaving their estate to anyone the government then took every ones land from them and you can only claim it when you have a birth certificate or something??

Then told me everyone has a "trust fund" setup for them when they are born but no one ever pursues it (except him of course) and that hes currently looking into it with his solicitor and i should do the same

completely bonkers.. i do miss his insane ramblings sometimes for comedy value.

I'm sure the fact that he's serving life in prison is just a blip and his "powers" will get him out in no time

[FizzyGreenWater]

thaNks GERALDINE that's good TO knoW

[wrongsideofhistorymyarse]

Geraldine luv you're talking cobblers.

Go well.

[Wrongsideofhistorymyarse]

A group of protestors has 'seized' Edinburgh Castle. Given they're quoting the Magna Carta they're related to FMOTL.

An excellent reason to bump this thread.

www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-castle-incident-large-police-21335855

[Wowwowwowwowwow]

Yas, @Wrongsideofhistorymyarse I'm buzzing to see this!

[LadyJJ]

Edinburgh Castle is lovely though.
Wonder which tourist attraction they will try and seize next ?

[ChainJane]

Alton Towers, they'd have more fun there.

[DelicateFuckingFlower]

Oh god these fucking loons

Batshit and then some.

[Wrongsideofhistorymyarse]

Judge Rooke did a brilliant takedown of these clowns in his 2012 judgement on 'Meads vs. Meads'. He was so annoyed at the number of litigants he produced a legal thesis on them. It's one of the funniest things I've ever read.

My late partner used to work in insurance claims and came up against on of these litigants. I sent him to this thread and to Meads vs. Meads. He won the case.

[Pazuzu]

Meads v Meads is well worth the read even for non legal professionals as it's the nearest thing to legal trolling you'll ever get.

Thanks to whoever resurrected this one, if only to read BongoSlides rant which frankly squirrels would overdose on the nut content of.

FMOTL are mental obviously, but have a look for Moorish American Nationals. America is Morroco apparently, because reasons.

[BarkingUpTheWrongRoseBush]

Our local Freeman of the Land are also tied in with the anti vaxxers.

[Wrongsideofhistorymyarse]

What a huge surprise Barking

[Tyredofallthis1]

It is so annoying. Scotland has always had its own legal system. I'm not even sure that they have common law. If I understand correctly, it is more influence by the Roman law tradition. The Magna Carta was never part of it. Once upon a time, if you were in England and serving process to Scotland, you had to follow the same procedure as if you were serving someone in France or the USA.

And the Magna Carta wasn't even part of Scottish history. It's nothing to do with it. Did they sniff too many tourist leaflets and get high off the ink? If they were going for the Magna Carta angle, you would have thought they could have saved up for a cheap day return to Newcastle.

They don't know their law, they don't know their history and I'm surprised they can tie their own shoelaces. Are they wearing trainers with velcro fastenings?

(apologies for those, like me, who have trainers with velco fastenings. It's awful to be lumped in with these playschool dropouts)

[LadyJaye]

I love this thread and am always thrilled to see it come up again.

[LadyJaye]

@Tyredofallthis1

It is so annoying. Scotland has always had its own legal system. I'm not even sure that they have common law. If I understand correctly, it is more influence by the Roman law tradition. The Magna Carta was never part of it. Once upon a time, if you were in England and serving process to Scotland, you had to follow the same procedure as if you were serving someone in France or the USA.

And the Magna Carta wasn't even part of Scottish history. It's nothing to do with it. Did they sniff too many tourist leaflets and get high off the ink? If they were going for the Magna Carta angle, you would have thought they could have saved up for a cheap day return to Newcastle.

They don't know their law, they don't know their history and I'm surprised they can tie their own shoelaces. Are they wearing trainers with velcro fastenings?

(apologies for those, like me, who have trainers with velco fastenings. It's awful to be lumped in with these playschool dropouts)

You're correct: Magna Carta has never had any influence or aspect in Scots law, which is based on Roman law, as opposed to the English legal code which is based on the law of torte.

(Apart from anything else, the Magna Carta was signed in 1215, which significantly predates the Act of Union between Scotland and England.)

[Whyo]

Scotland definitely has common law. We have a mixed legal system just like England. Scottish civil and property laws are heavily influenced by Roman law little else is though.

It’s also just “magna carta” no the needed, and the part they’re spraffing isn’t even in force in England anymore (never was in Scotland) and when it was in force applied to Barrons only or something else equally of its time!

England don’t have a legal code, and it’s not based on the “law of tort” a tort is specifically a civil wrong that causes harm, e.g. personal injury. We definitely have this in Scotland it’s just called delict not tort.

[Flumpaphone]

These moonhowlers are basing all this bollocks on what they perceive Article 61 of Magna Carta says.

1. As others have said, MC never applied to Scotland.

1. Article 61 was written on into the 1215 MC but removed from the 1216 rewrite thus effectively repealing it after 1 year.

1. A61 was only ever a procedural article, a mechanism for doing something, it never bestowed any "rights". It's sort of akin to a UN document detailing how many car parking spaces each delegation will get, rather then Han a Security Council Resolution.