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AIBU?

to think the 'common law/freeman on the land' thing is a whole load of bollocks?

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qwertypop · 01/06/2014 20:10

I've come across a few people over the last few years that take it very seriously and bang on at length about how the police and courts have no authority over them as they are self declared 'freemen'. Something to do with common law being the only true law in Britain, I think? And not having to wear bike helmets or pay for TV licenses or repay your debts also seem important to the ones I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting.

A couple I met at the weekend have taken the biscuit though and not registered their baby's birth because apparently this will mean said baby grows up to be a 'freeman' (she's actually a girl but the term appears to be freeman anyway). They believe quite firmly that to register her birth will mean that the law assumes her and her name (which is a fucking corker, of course) are one and the same and that only by NOT registering her birth can she be free to be a human being. Quite what this actually means is a mystery to me and tbh the mumbo jumbo they gave me by way of an answer leads me to suspect they don't really know either Hmm

I've tried to read up on it but all the info I can find is written in a style you'd expect of an paranoid, delusional, and possibly hallucinating chimpanzee let loose with a legal dictionary.

So AIBU to think this is bollocky woo of the most fucking ridiculous type? Or is someone going to come along and actually enlighten me as to wtf its all about, preferably in plain English with no pseudo-legalese?

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LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 09:06

@SmilingButClueless I hadn't managed to work that out yet. I can only read so much at a time before my brain starts to leak out of my ears.

My bad - I just read their version of confirmation bias. The Wiki is here en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias It's not the same as their version.

I often wonder what colour the sky is in their world.

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BitOutOfPractice · 11/07/2018 09:06

I don't type with an open mind. I tend to use my fingers. But it might explain your appalling English and your non-sensical, inaccurate ramblings.

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LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 09:19

@BitOutOfPractice their minds are so open that tumbleweed blows through.

In my very humble opinion, baiting Freeman of the Land people is the only bloodsport that should not only be allowed but encouraged.

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ballsballsballs · 11/07/2018 09:28

That Canadian judgement makes for fascinating and amusing reading.

FMOTL is nonsense on stilts.

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florascotia2 · 11/07/2018 09:41

Lost at sea????

For some intelligent, EVIDENCED-BASED speculation about deaths during the Great Fire of London:
[https://www.historyextra.com/period/stuart/10-things-you-probably-didnt-know-about-the-great-fire-of-london/]]

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florascotia2 · 11/07/2018 09:43
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Oysterbabe · 11/07/2018 09:48

Oh good this is back again :)

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MrsTerryPratchett · 11/07/2018 11:26

This is my favourite zombie 🧟‍♀️ thread.

@LisaMed1 we are still waiting for your book on the history of law.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 11/07/2018 11:28
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LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 12:08

@MrsTerryPratchett - oops!

I'll get around to it. Promise!

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henpeckedinchief · 11/07/2018 12:18

Thank you to whoever resurrected this zombie, it's made my morning!

One thing OP mentioned all those years ago which actually is true is that lawyers and others involved in the courts do hate litigants in person. This is because they are almost universally total nutjobs who can't find a law firm to represent them and who think that using long words and misunderstanding the 7% of the law they've actually read up on makes them experts...

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henpeckedinchief · 11/07/2018 12:23

im studying history

Not very effectively, unfortunately.

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LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 14:30

@henpeckedinchief They may not have studied the actual history, but they've probably been in the same room as a history book. Probably.

Dear heaven, there are YouTube videos of history lectures from places like Yale and we get latrine sweepings like this served up to us.

I daren't go back to the most recent post. I have to watch my blood pressure.

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DailyMailReadersAreThick · 12/07/2018 19:32

Oh, thank you so much for resurrecting this thread. It's the gem that keeps on giving!

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hollowmoon · 24/08/2018 12:21

I'm very surprised at the amount of venom on display here by people who are wholly ignorant of this topic.
You all come across as scared and incredibly insecure that you should want to lash out with such anger at people who are simply trying to do the right thing. Whether or not you agree they are simply trying to live a life that is free. Big deal.
I actually think you are all jealous because you don't have the balls to stand up and do what you think is right and inside you recognise that you are actually all slaves of a system that ultimately doesn't give a fig about you or your family's happiness. Good luck on your journeys.

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BeaglesAbout · 26/09/2018 09:16

Not only do 'litigants in person' clog up the court system which is already pretty blocked) but they refuse to listen to any advice offered to them which is why they are inevitably about to lose their house/car/wife becasue of a point-blank refusal to take any advice at all.

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BeaglesAbout · 26/09/2018 09:23

FOTL is a fantasy, a utopia of consequence-free decisions and debt-free existence, sold to the desperate and gullible by con-artists.
A Narnia-style world where if you believe really strongly and say the right words and phrases, then the laws that apply to everyone else, magically do not apply to you.
And the fact that this stuff has never worked anywhere in the common-law legal world, is just a consequence of the 'real world' not fully appreciating the power of the FOTL magic.
Oh - and of course, the MSM suppressing the FOTL victories in case it gets out.
Many of my clients (I'm a lawyer) have contracts and debts that they battle to challenge in the courts. Some employ legal teams charging £500+ ph.
They must be very hacked off that those expensive legal teams didn't mention that the could just become a FOTL and their legal problems would be over.
No doubt the FOTL would say this is a huge global conspiracy by the legal profession. Let me tell you the legal community could not 'conspire' or even cooperate sufficiently to make a cup of tea.

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BongoSlide · 18/12/2018 16:14

Its funny how many have opinions on something they admit they know little about,I have won a few things and supported what is called by there own law ignorant, as they say, ignorant of the law is no excuse,
I discovered the lie in P I P and though I failed there 12 points question air convoluted as it is, I still managed to win, simply because they where breaking laws, and withholding every one money, its a scam and you only get a little on the news as the news is managed ,why would the powers be allow Man on the land or freeman air time against there lie, let me ask some simple questions that any true freeman knows,
1 Why is every (PERSONs) credit card spelt in capitals and not who they would spell it,
2 Why when you get say a speeding letter is there boxes in the later and your name is MT or MRS all in capital letters also, and if you reed it there not demanding.
3what is the difference between a police constable and a plolice officer.
4Have you ever wonder why if your being arrested they keep asking "do you understand"
"Anything you say may be taken down and used against you in a court of law" why would you defend your self claiming innocent be used against you.
Every freeman knows these easy answers if they do not they are not as to be a freeman you have to awaken, and we can't just tell you, you have to seek your own truth,
the clue is will give you is connected to your birth certificate,
Do you think you are a PERSON or a human being, go buy a black laws dictionary to see how words are twisted, that is the evidence you need ot see the lies and deceit, until you make some effort your in ignorance and do your self no justice, ill come back some day to see who can answer these simple first step questions,
1 more clue Admuty law over common natural law, which is older statutes adultery or common lookup article 61 Magna Carta, it gave you from trial by combat to trail by your peers of equal quality, look up 1466 or runny meed, or why Cambridge university gave you lawyers judges,
do you know where the BAR came from and its actually BAR BAR BAR, why is every judge lawyer and all operating in law need to register with English bar whatever country they come from, if you find these answers your already on the path to truth and you may be awakened, be warned this will hammer your ego, after all, to find out your entire life is a lie is not easy to accept good luck, and those who can't be bothered then your opinion is not valid, what else do you not know that you have an opinion.
last clues check out John Harris Robert Maynard youtube, and John Harris strangely was suicided his note all know was a lie they did not even do the research to know what job he does, Kennedy George Washington also assassinated trying to bring the truth out,
John Hayze was arrested very late at night not given a proper court,not allowed to defend himself, kept in prison 21 days without due process, he sued the court for a disclosed large amount he led part of the poll tax in Wirral civil court and had a judge arrested,
Robermaynard helped the mori nation get there land back from Newzeeland goverment and they trashed an 8 million listening post on there land as it was unlawful act, but the Newzeelandnews papers just made out the Mori as vanduls and there trying to find ways to steel there land again, all the evidence is out there but you will notget it listerning to the new the likes of robermaxwell is in on the lie, you will learn so much but can you be bothered or wil lyou continue to voice an opinion in ignorance. i hope my friends you see the truth you living in maritime law with statutes, given the force of law, but its not given the force of law if you do not concent ot contract unless its aa criminal offence, Stautue act?ACT what is an act its make beleive a lie and alsways ask is it LEGAL or LAWFUL they most likely say LEGAL as it not lawqful. Police consterbla is there to serve and protect never do hard or deny the turuth ,
police officer is a revenue collecter for the corperate courts who probly could not recite hi oath, ask them are you standing on your owth?do not forget they also have been brainwashed and given ego to think they can do what they want,
finaly it was a freem who changed the V5 log book, when in court he esstablished that the court wanted the owner to pay a fine he agreed, then proved that the DVLA was actualy the owner of all registered cars, register is sonmoinus with grant apply you driving liecence is a grant all liesences are grant given to the govend by the goverment, as thew V5 said the owner, niow if you look it now says the REGISTERED KEEPer, thats why they can tow your car away and its not steeling, are you starting to see the twist of words they use against you, to ubderstend is ti stand under there authrity that you gave them by joinder by agreeing you understand , you are now in dishonour if you say any thing more thats why its used against you in a corperate court, you most get in honout its not about guilty or not guilty its guilty or no case to anser for, they all want paying you soliciter takes the liable untill you found guilty in wich case you pay, you guilty befor you enter there corperate courts with there glorified ghroup for gard not police , you may even be asked as you enter the security "have you been inveted" you think itsd sumons youy musst apear, but also if you do not its presumed your giulty as you have not rebutted it, its all about your paper work, your stationery your stationary the fictional side of you, tou may not eve nbe allowed to speak, ok well done for getting this far gave a little away but youve had time to think of the questions, you choice but i bet when one of you end up in court you will take an interest because youve been forwarnd how the corperate courts work, voting you think your voting for a representative but your voting for the next corperate CEO look at labour its REGISTERED to Alister Darling plc its a corperate, you think you live in the UK not Great Britain UKPLC is also a corperation its acompany not a countrey, name the 3 cities in side other citys that rle the world, Whashington D C THE CITY inside London city and the Vatican, one is the arms one the finacial the other the spiritual , why does the pope had Swiss gards to protect him as there money is in Swissterland, that why Germany never invaded Swizterland no country is nutural when you want to exspand and need money gold, its all in front of your face , but we are all so bumbed down to there lies, i hope this helps your vueing what a freeman is as he has been fighting since the great plague, as there was not enough srves to run the country after that so the king granted "all freeman born on the land are free to travel and seek emplouyment" this stopped humans from being slaves to there lord and master,the first black smith to try this was hung tha began the peaceful rebeiion,so its a very oldhdden movment you that they have hidden from you, good luck my friends in awakening

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ghostyslovesheets · 18/12/2018 16:18

fuck me this mind numbingly shit thread just keeps giving

in huge badly punctuated swathes of cut and pasted shite from conspiracy websites


please HQ just delete the fucker - it only encourages them

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ghostyslovesheets · 18/12/2018 16:20

oh and google 'there, their and they're' please for the love OF CHEESE

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BorisBogtrotter · 18/12/2018 16:36

"Lookup article 61 Magna Carta, "

Except Magna Carta didn't apply to ordinary people, or even "freemen", but nobles.

You won't have won anything because A) You aren't literate, and B) you would be able to provide evidence instead of ramblings.

There has never been a case where a "freeman on the land" has won by nature of his claims.

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AwkwardSquad · 18/12/2018 16:43

They’re back.

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BananasAreTheSourceOfEvil · 18/12/2018 16:46

That post made my eyes bleed Confused

I dated a bloke who was into all this- seemed normal at first but then made me watch loads of YouTube videos on it, told me he wanted to me to have his child but wouldn’t get it registered as the child would then have a legal identity that the government could use against it, criticized me for doing a law degree as I was become part of the system and he wouldn’t shut the fuck up about it.

I dropped him at the bus station and barred his number.

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RayRayBidet · 18/12/2018 16:52

Ime this bollocks is to get out of paying for stuff.
I used to work in Council Tax and had several people come in to say they wouldn't be paying because they were 'Freemen'
Had some very entertaining letters sent in to us as well.
They still got fined by the magistrate and ordered to pay.

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Pachyderm1 · 18/12/2018 16:52

I love when this thread resurrects! I love to imagine all the smug twats who think bellowing meaningless pheases like ‘freeman on the land’ gives them some kind of special status. Lots of children like to pretend they know magic words, but they usually grow out of it...

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