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to think the 'common law/freeman on the land' thing is a whole load of bollocks?

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qwertypop · 01/06/2014 20:10

I've come across a few people over the last few years that take it very seriously and bang on at length about how the police and courts have no authority over them as they are self declared 'freemen'. Something to do with common law being the only true law in Britain, I think? And not having to wear bike helmets or pay for TV licenses or repay your debts also seem important to the ones I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting.

A couple I met at the weekend have taken the biscuit though and not registered their baby's birth because apparently this will mean said baby grows up to be a 'freeman' (she's actually a girl but the term appears to be freeman anyway). They believe quite firmly that to register her birth will mean that the law assumes her and her name (which is a fucking corker, of course) are one and the same and that only by NOT registering her birth can she be free to be a human being. Quite what this actually means is a mystery to me and tbh the mumbo jumbo they gave me by way of an answer leads me to suspect they don't really know either Hmm

I've tried to read up on it but all the info I can find is written in a style you'd expect of an paranoid, delusional, and possibly hallucinating chimpanzee let loose with a legal dictionary.

So AIBU to think this is bollocky woo of the most fucking ridiculous type? Or is someone going to come along and actually enlighten me as to wtf its all about, preferably in plain English with no pseudo-legalese?

OP posts:
Zhaa · 12/08/2017 04:18
  • I DO NOT KNOW EVERY FACT AND MINE MIGHT NOT BE EXACT In the UK there are legal statutes and the common law of the land. the common law of the land is real and legal statutes are made up laws created by police/government to create a business and make money from e.g. fining people for car tickets, taxing etc A birth certificate is the governments way of opening a company, we are all a company tab that government has, as humans people might not want to be brought into this. So these people are actually correct and you should do more research on the subject before belittling the people. I do not know all facts myself however I do know the difference between common law and legal statute, this ties in with government using birth certificates as a way to use the legal statutes. www.lawfulrebellion.org/2012/09/29/your-life-is-a-lie/ here is a link for anyone who would like to learn a few things about birth certificates
JeNeSuisPasVotreMiel · 12/08/2017 05:21

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT

Also bullshit alert....

Ifailed · 12/08/2017 06:36

Zombie and bullshit alert noted.
However, this sort of nonsense can be attractive to vulnerable people; especially those with MH issues or those trapped in debt, violence, coercion etc. For that reason, I think it is valid to calmly and reasonably point out the bullshit. If it helps just one person from getting into more trouble, or worse into the clutches of some controlling tosspot, then it would be worth it.

EdithWeston · 12/08/2017 06:57

I've enjoyed this thread for years

And Zhaa is of course wrong about what cannon law is, and where it fits in to the legal system.

I'm also assuming she's not British. There is no such thing as UK law.

And a birth certificate records a birth. And yes it's the first contact with officialdom. But it doesn't form a company. Utter rubbish!

Brahumbug · 12/08/2017 07:32

Nurse, NURSE, she's out of bed againGrin

LisaMed1 · 21/08/2017 21:22

This started up again and no-one told me!

Where to start when it's beyond wrong?

And it really upsets me that vulnerable people may buy into this rubbish, sometimes literally buying books and seminars, when proper legal advice would get them the result they need. This load of playdough will only make things worse for them and get any legal case laughed out of court.

CockacidalManiac · 21/08/2017 21:28

Jesus, this thread is so old that I'm on it under three different name changes.

Ttbb · 21/08/2017 22:13

Common law is actually subservient to parliamentary law. It's called sovereignty of parliament.

TheOnceAndFutureQueen · 21/08/2017 23:00

(bastard phone!)

I love it when this thread comes back around again. I must have read it 3-4 times and it still makes me Shock and cross every time! Grin

TheOnceAndFutureQueen · 21/08/2017 23:03

I swear I wasn't just insulting my phone at random (although it deserves it)! It showed me I'd commented twice with single letters.

As you were Smile

toffee1000 · 22/08/2017 20:32

I always despair at the number of idiots in the world. It takes a special kind of stupid to believe in this crap. I saw one of those "legal name" posters a while ago.

LisaMed1 · 22/08/2017 21:32

toffee1000 if I'm not sure why something's happened, and it could be by malice, I always check that it isn't just people being stupid first. It's the obvious explanation for an awful lot of rubbish.

BamburyFuriou3 · 22/08/2017 21:40

Ooh I love this thread. I've got at least 2 user names on it as well Grin

Do you think the latest one will be back with more entertainment? I do hope so!

BongoSlide · 11/07/2018 06:56

I think you are all nip picking at things you do not want to understand.
Im not a listed freeman on the land , ive not written to the queen,
But ive have been studying this ive even got the Magna Carta and common law buts and statute ;law books, im studying history, so i type with an open mind. and i have revelation after revelation and so i will stick to facts not beliefs,
ask your self befor i do talk facts, why is all your credit cads spelt with capitol letter and not the way you spell it ,of cause you will give your verssion why . but thet will not be a fact. that will be your mind trying to justify as like most you are thinking how youve been programed to ,after all we are programs the moment we are born what is right and what is wrong and at school, so its hard for most to think in a new way so we mock what we do not understand ., as we follow the masses. its called confirmation bias, you learnty this at school,. ei, if someone fell over in a schoolyard , if one of the in boys pionts and laughs many folllow and laugh, yet im sure you fel bad in side but dont want the cool boys to know, this is confirmation bais,
pk, after the great black rat plague there was not enough (people) humans to run the land . i forget the name of the lords , but one lord went to the king and said my black smith is dead, a smller lesser lord has one can i have him . the king said he is beholding to his master icannot. then the lord said i pay bigger taxed and have more land im more important to you and the war effort i need hime for sword horseshoe,
so the king decreed all men are BORN freeman on the land. thus have the right to(travel and are no longer beholding to there lord and master,
it was the very blacksmith who walked out of his old lord and master claiming to be a now freeman on the land and im off to work for him he will pay me, that smaller lord had him arrested ans sent to the tower, i think im not sure he got hung. this caused many to walk out in rebellion they could not all be killed as there where not enough to work the land so the freeman on the land was then enshrined in law and ever since there are in peaceful rebellion and free to (travel).
thats, where the law freeman on the land comes from
later at Runnymede king john forces to sign the Magna Carta, though it was designed to the lords it had to put the poeple, have rights as the lords did not want to pay such high tax for war, King john later tried to ignor this law thats another story,
these you can look up and if its history shame on any one mocking what they do not understand,
remember statute law dictaits /ignorance of the law is no excuse ,
but we have all been ignorant and this is what the freeman is trying to say open your mind and eye, forget some wanting get out of paying though that's part of it, look deeper

now you mock this birth certificate, understand this as i now do,
you are BORN so you should have a born name.
but we live ina naval law not land law, hance freeman on the land,
another interesting fact. al lthe humans burnt in the great fiere of London are listed as (LOST AT SEA) not on the land? gop chack
what yo u do you say when some asks you where are you from do you say "uk" or Britain,
if you say uk do you know uk is a corporate company head ceo is the priminister , its actually UK PLC but it changes before the April taxation i think, again go check befor you mock.
now in relation to the birth certificate, that now invents a fictional person the word person os a fiction as your a human being not a person,you life is now split in half, the human and the fiction by some one signiong your birthcertificate it signing you to dervatude to the corperate and now a new account is open. ,
as you said you do not have many entitlments if you do not have a birth certificate, ,this is how they have the right to take your child away as they own your child yet you do not understand or know thins as your brian washed,
agian how many chikdren do you know have been taken away who do not have a birht certificate. just look at the windrush only becaue there more that 10,000 are they firced to not kick thern out of Britain,and many of them where BORN in britain , in your mind no birth certificate kick them but where can you they where born in Britian ,
there being coersed into d=signing birth certiface i think ,

these are things you need to find out before you add your opinion ,
i can list many many more things im discovering on my own , and im shocked, i will not be going the full way that a true freeman goes i do not want the hassle of being bullied and a hard life, but i will go as far as i dare for the truth , that's what im doing finding the truth,
now you talk about courts, well a ship comes on the high CURRENTdocks and the harbormaster sings for the goods then there taken onto the BANK,
the BANK of ENgland and the courts where build on the remains of the grait fire of lLondon,
nowmoney current bank ?
so when you go to court you go to the DOCK as your being RE BIRTHED?birth certificate ?is this makinf any sence yet?
navel law ?
the reason why they ask your name . "are you MR WALDO BONGOSLIDE " is not to help you get over your nerves, its to get you to joinder, once joinder is mande that means you now agree to what ever thay say and thats also why they exspect you to stand and sit when asked as again you are agreeing to there will,andthere STATUTES, fictional law not lawful law, common law, and bye the way one third of the commonwealth use common law and Britain and Canada free movement had risen 10% America is following fast,
so mock or not there is something as it not just Britain,
of cause they have the gun to your head thats why thery win but they use leagues not LAWFUL words like person legal are all fiction along side the capitol name and MR or MSS on your name, thatrs why you hear the word fiction used and living soul its to fiffewrenciat from the hume and the fiction,
in surt you happy to be a slave and yo udo not know it . look how many STATUTES laws come out each week from have a drone to not playing you musc i convertible as you do not have a licence to broadcast, there all STATUTES invented laws to tax you to get mony from you , civil courts are not cout of LAW there private business designed to get your money . thats why the have private gards not police?
now im not or ever attended and seminars or meeting ive never met a claimed freeman on the land , but i know i was born free, because when i was born i did not know language or able to wright, so my birth certificate was done with out my willing agreement?
here is some thing shocking you think you own your car, then why have the police have the right to remove what you own is that not theaft? it isn the DVLC own it but give you the liecnes to use it ,
i must be boring you bye now so ill stop but there is so much more , , a tru freeman oon the land would wright an afidavid to the qween declaring there sovrenty thoug hes fre and we all are its a staitment of claifficate ,
police i have many friend, no there oath is to serve and protect , but even they tall me there job description is a prosecuting witness so there bosses brian wash in contradiction, asking them to recite there oath shows thoes that know and thoes who dont, i think you either disinterested now ir intreaged, but at least go find your truth befor you mock or you sshow your ignorance, i was ignorant once now im not
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they use leagalues to confuse you rather than simple English. and words in a law book mean different things then we know as English, go find what the word inailiable rights meen its 2 words inailiable in ailiable? you have inaliable rights but you yet do not knowing if you still stand behind the word leage, do you understand * you stand un) the police man now is abovee you you have agreed to his will as you now stand unde him thats why they must ask you and reapeat until they have joinder with you ?
so mock you ignorance how much of this did you know as most freeman now this , and to finsh you mockinf of why is not women mentioned its because the word man was not one sex its become one sex. the cathlic demonised mary magdelane and but women under man as humenbeings we are all equil, those they give them self titles like loird are below us as they are a fiction there is no higher then a human being you must know this, or gp bow to someone because they have more money than you and you fear their power uy you freely give them freeman law/ 3
1DONO HARM
2DO NOT STEAL TAKE THAT WHICH IS NOT YOURS, 3 g find the 3rd :) they are all the laws we need its inherent COMMON sense tells you what is wrong and right :) my friends

AwkwardSquad · 11/07/2018 07:03

Oh God, here we go again.... Hmm

AllyMcBeagle · 11/07/2018 07:05

A) Zombie thread 🧟‍♀️ 🧟‍♂️

B) This Freeman on the land stuff is all nonsense. If anyone's curious, there is an amazing Canadian judgment where the judge picks apart at length how stupid this is. It's Canadian but the same principles apply over here. I have personally got cases struck out before where people were making these nonsense arguments.
www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.pdf

TomPinch · 11/07/2018 07:40

Hahahaha, great stuff BongoSlide.

DappledThings · 11/07/2018 07:51

Zombies are usually irritating but I've enjoyed this one again every time it reappears.

Today has been a cracker

DappledThings · 11/07/2018 07:54

?is this makinf any sence yet?

Ha ha ha ha ha

LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 08:04

@BongoSlide Great spoof of the freeman of the land horse apples, but even they don't spell that bad!

LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 08:07

@AllyMcBeagle that judgement warmed my cockles, I can tell you.

It really grates my grinder that vulnerable people looking for some sort of hope get sucked into this lukewarm pile of secondhand hay. There has been no example of a successful challenge using these crayon-scrawled dribblings and lots of cases with a good chance under regular rules have been flushed because of it.

And breathe...

CuriousaboutSamphire · 11/07/2018 08:13

Why? Why do they always write so atrociously?

I might have had a decent snigger, but can't wade my way through the utter verbiage like they use leagalues to confuse you rather than simple English Grin No idea, but I think I want one, to confuse and confound you all!

inailiabl - not many points in Scrabble, disappointingly.

LisaMed1 · 11/07/2018 08:41

I managed to decode some of the spoof (please tell me it's a spoof) and just want to point out again that the feudal system was abolished by case law in the sixteenth century. I am so going to have to look it up and bookmark it for the exact case. A king had nothing to do with it and probably didn't even appoint the judge that made the ruling.

The collapse of the feudal system was certainly aided by the pressures of the Black Death but it had been eroding for a while before that and for the decades before the first wave of the medieval Black Death (1348-1349) landlords were actively converting feudal service to monetary payments and it was only during the labour shortage afterwards, particularly after the plague of 1361, that landlords ineffectively tried to reassert their rights to feudal service.

I may dip in to the spoof later (I can only take so much at a time) but I do wonder whether the freemen of the land (aka totally witless and tenditious souls) make of a port on a computer.

SmilingButClueless · 11/07/2018 08:49

I particularly like the fact that someone who claims they are studying history seems to think that the signing of the Magna Carta happened after the great plague.

BitOutOfPractice · 11/07/2018 09:04

I'M MR WALDO BONGOSLIDE AND SO IS MY WIFE Grin