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to think the 'common law/freeman on the land' thing is a whole load of bollocks?

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qwertypop · 01/06/2014 20:10

I've come across a few people over the last few years that take it very seriously and bang on at length about how the police and courts have no authority over them as they are self declared 'freemen'. Something to do with common law being the only true law in Britain, I think? And not having to wear bike helmets or pay for TV licenses or repay your debts also seem important to the ones I've had the dubious pleasure of meeting.

A couple I met at the weekend have taken the biscuit though and not registered their baby's birth because apparently this will mean said baby grows up to be a 'freeman' (she's actually a girl but the term appears to be freeman anyway). They believe quite firmly that to register her birth will mean that the law assumes her and her name (which is a fucking corker, of course) are one and the same and that only by NOT registering her birth can she be free to be a human being. Quite what this actually means is a mystery to me and tbh the mumbo jumbo they gave me by way of an answer leads me to suspect they don't really know either Hmm

I've tried to read up on it but all the info I can find is written in a style you'd expect of an paranoid, delusional, and possibly hallucinating chimpanzee let loose with a legal dictionary.

So AIBU to think this is bollocky woo of the most fucking ridiculous type? Or is someone going to come along and actually enlighten me as to wtf its all about, preferably in plain English with no pseudo-legalese?

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MooMaid · 02/08/2015 18:34

Ahh yes, this thread. How exciting. Resurrected again

MooMaid · 02/08/2015 18:35

Dione ba ha ha genius Cuntsnet

cruikshank · 02/08/2015 18:35

Actually, I think that Ubuntu has a point. After all, everyone who is a mum should also be a freeman in order that their children not be brainwashed by Team Stupid Fucks. Or something.

fastdaytears · 02/08/2015 18:35

Aibu to take tomorrow off work so that I can follow this resurrection uninterrupted?

RedDaisyRed · 02/08/2015 18:38

I think it's interesting to hear from these kinds of people. We certainly have far too many laws which interfere with people's rights and freedoms and every Government seems to make it worse even the Tories. So anyone who is keen to fight against them is worth hearing from.

However we lawyers know what common law is/was. Even the term freehold does not mean you technically own the land - you hold it from the Crown so ultimately the state could take it away such as through compulsory purchase orders. I bought my own island in the pacific but even that was subject to the laws of the country where it was in. It is possible to go to areas with fewer laws than here to be freer. There are certainly many groups who make no claim on state funds around the world who manage to live fairly free of state interference.

There are however risks in the UK for those who choose not to register the births of their children although not always that great. Look at all the unregistered off books immigrants we house who seem to live off the grid as it were without detection.

I am certainly extremely pleased we have no requirement to have or carry an identity card in the UK and I hope all mumsnetters always lobby to ensure that never changes.

BoreOfWhabylon · 02/08/2015 18:50

Good grief, this thread again?

These freefuckers are like dogs returning to vomit.

Methe · 02/08/2015 18:55

Amazing thread Grin

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 19:00

RedDaisyRed

Yes, the uk is especially binding.

People do not own land here, they rent off the crown at most.

Would u please let us know the risks for parents & children who do not register?

If they outweigh the risks of signing ur child over to the state I would b very surprised indeed.

I am also interested in ur comments on the identity card. What r ur biggest concerns regarding this as oppose to the birth certificate etc etc? I have read that freemen on the land use them to help with travel?

Do you know much about FMOTL? Thats what I came here to discuss! & I have a couple of questions.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 02/08/2015 19:28

If you don't register the birth, then the person in question won't have an ID card will they? The option of travelling on it is surely only open to adults who decide they are FMOTL because despite what they may think they have legal binding proof of their citizenship to apply for one.

The second generation otoh are a bit screwed because they don't officially exist. Could make travelling interesting when they try to exit one country and enter another though.

RagstheInvincible · 02/08/2015 19:38

This has GOT to go in Classics. Never have I had so much amusement from a MN thread.

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 19:43

Should anyone sincerely want to discuss this, no matter when, please feel free...

I am trying to clarify a few things...

Which came first, common law or FMOTL?

Info indicates that freemen largely stand under common law, is this correct?

This makes no sense to me, how can a free man stand under any law other than natural law? Of course they can willingly consent but surely that would b contradictory. If they consent to b governed & abide by anything other than natural law then they r not a Freeman surely?

Was FMOTL a reaction/result of common law?

Info indicates that FMOTL is in some way linked to common law in it's foundations, is this correct?

This leads me to suspect that there has been an issue with the sincerity of common law, leading to yet another label, Freeman, for us humans to b recognised as such.

This obviously leads me to suspect that the FMOTL path is not the correct 1 & is just another diversion.

Why would we need to fight for another label/name for ourselves if we r standing under a noble & righteous law?

Why would a FMOTL need to stand under common law?!

I'm beginning to think this FMOTL is not what it should b at all!

Methe · 02/08/2015 19:45

How do children go to school/Drs/get library cards if they don't exist?

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 19:52

RafalsTheKingOfClay

Maybe it's not ID cards then, or maybe its a specific type, maybe it's just documents that pacify border control but it's still ID of some form just for travel purposes, not of a citizen tho of course.

They have to provide something if they r going to obstruct ur travel, we know that at least. Either that or don't obstruct travel!

fastdaytears · 02/08/2015 19:54

1Ubuntu I'm not sure that you're asking these questions on the right forum...

kiwigirl42 · 02/08/2015 19:55

To paraphrase the wonderful Lisamed earlier in the thread, I think you have got confused between common law, natural law and fuck all to do with law

Your ramble makes no sense.

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 19:56

Methe

Yes, quite.

Ur children can b schooled however u wish.

State schools r a very bad idea. In england anyway.

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 19:58

Fastdaytears

The title says different...

Methe · 02/08/2015 19:58

And the issue of medical treatment?

TiggyD · 02/08/2015 20:00

I knew my tinfoil hat wasn't enough.

fastdaytears · 02/08/2015 20:00

No really. This is a thread about this FM thing on a site full of people who know nothing about it. 90% of the replies are people saying that this all sounds batshit. You won't get people who are knowledgable about the subject and can answer your many questions. There must be some forums where people who DO know about this go.

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 20:01

Kiwigirl42

If u were directing that at me...

When there r queries regarding a subject, u research, ask questions, things like that, to educate urself & no longer have said queries.

Thats how it works.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 02/08/2015 20:03

What is this word "ur"?. Is it "of the Chaldees"?. The German for original? A placeholder in speech, where tongue has outrun thought?

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 20:05

Fastdaytears

Thanks for that.

What a shame for the real mums here.

Well my questions r out there should anyone sincere come along in the future Smile

Methe · 02/08/2015 20:06

I asked you a question. How do unregistered children access medical treatment?

1Ubuntu · 02/08/2015 20:08

Methe

Don't know much about that 1 but I think it's less of an issue than travel.

Hopefully someone will answer u or if I remember I'l update with an answer Smile

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