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To think the School overreacted in Expelling Pupil and calling Police for a stunt,when a "bollocking would have been enough".

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smokepole · 28/05/2014 09:57

Jacob Dowdle, a year 13 Pupil at Altrincham Grammar school on the last day of term May 16, put a paper plate with whipped cream in to his year heads face.

This was a very "Stupid" thing to do, but no harm was meant or injury caused yet the school called the Police and summary expelled him. The teacher was seeking a prosecution for the stunt, when she was not injured The teacher although upset , should have had the grace to except that it was a poor stunt , ( or like most teachers on the last day taken it on the chin as overexcited students behaviour).

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 31/05/2014 15:02

It doesn't matter what she is like as a teacher or a person. She deserves to go about her work without being assaulted and humiliated.

I bet all the people who are putting this down to high jinks would just love Jacob Dowdle to smash a pie their face then upload the footage.

Oh. How. They. Would. Laugh.

LumpySpacedPrincess · 31/05/2014 15:04

AND and...

Custard pies are Just. Not. Funny.

Clowns are also Not. Funny.

Practical jokes are Very. Rarely. Funny.

PodPerson · 31/05/2014 15:09

My four year old is self-aware enough to know he'd be in trouble if he hit someone in the face with a paper plate, even as a joke.

Rather than complaining about being excluded and merely having an interview for assault on his record, Dowdle should be counting his lucky stars he's not facing full charges.

He comes across as a self-entitled bully. Good for the HT for taking this seriously. Definitely the right action.

Bluestocking · 31/05/2014 15:12

I couldn't agree more, Lumpy (can I call you Lumpy?). Practical jokes are almost always about humiliation of some sort; further emphasising someone's underdog status, or, in this instance, putting someone who's considered to be uppity in their place. Not funny at all, ever.

LineRunner · 31/05/2014 15:14

I think the Doodle need a to consider issuing a heart-felt apology.

babybythesea · 31/05/2014 16:12

If the school are aware of this thread, I would like to add one more voice in full support of the teacher, and the actions of the Head.
I saw one discussion where someone reported he'd said he didn't know it was filmed. To which I say, bollocks. So his mate was just pointing a camera at a doorway and it just happened to be the doorway through which this teacher walked, at the moment a 'joke' was planned?
A thoughtless action is suddenly sticking your foot out to trip someone up on impulse. This was not thoughtless. He had the plate, the cream, he'd stationed himself appropriately, got someone to tape it.... That's thoughtFUL, and malicious.
He needed to do a big climb down and admit he'd made a mistake, not stir up a media frenzy.
I wonder how he will react to a telling off by his new boss, or whether he'll then also feel that the guy needs bringing down a peg or two. In which case, hope the boss takes it all in the good spirits in which it will surely be intended, and not lose his sense of humour over it. Hmm

pianodoodle · 31/05/2014 16:52

I'm not on twitter, so yesterday I posted a message on Lawrence Jone's facebook page.

Just about how I felt it was a bad message to send etc...

He replied, I replied back.

Today - gone.

So if he can't think of a response, he just deletes your question. That's why his facebook page is filled with glowing praise obviously.

pianodoodle · 31/05/2014 16:52

P.S. What a knobber.

SuffolkNWhat · 31/05/2014 18:40

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 31/05/2014 18:51

That seems to be his style pianodoodle, breathtakingly ignorant.

How can a fellow teacher not understand the potential repercussions of this?

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smokepole · 31/05/2014 19:21

Cheeky Wedders petition site:

Jacob, as Debbie Scarth Q.C pointed out, you reap what you sow. However, a positive result can come out of a negative situation both for you and the school. In the eyes of the law you may be an adult, but in neuroscience you are an adolescent with a impulsive developing brain. The parts of the brain are among the last to mature. This part of neuro- development may help you later in life and save you from worse situations involving peer pressure . There are also plenty of times when we have to admit we have done something wrong.

However there are still some stupid posts:

Kally bosch:

This teachers petty overreaction makes a mockery of teachers working in rougher schools that have to deal with real verbal and physical abuse on a regular basis.

Kally. Its because the school is a good school with good supportive parents and high expectations that they are able to stamp on this. Schools that do not stamp on this type of behaviour are wrong, for whatever reasons , not schools that do.

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vindscreenviper · 31/05/2014 19:22

That yoghurt-knitting jibe she fired at you was pithy and original Suffolk Hmm
He has some really charming people defending him doesn't he?

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vindscreenviper · 31/05/2014 19:45

Suffolk I doubt that, if given the facts*rather than the media-spun highlights, any teacher would disagree with how the school handled this.

*he didn't throw a cream pie at the teacher-the pie never left his hand, therefore he struck his teacher in the face. He was not expelled for the cream pie, he was expelled because he refused to cooperate with the school in the removing footage of the incident from Youtube.

BoneyBackJefferson · 31/05/2014 19:56

I think that the soaking is misdirection.

From the early reports it was one of his mates that got away with soaking a teacher, then it became his mate got soaked by a teacher now its the boy himself that got soaked by a teacher.

As I said up thread it is interesting how the story has changed from the first reports.

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 31/05/2014 20:01

I took issue with the journalist who wrote the pro pie boy piece as he stated the pie was thrown. That conjures up an entirely different image to a slap in the face.

sunshinecity17 · 31/05/2014 20:12

Odious little shit!

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vindscreenviper · 31/05/2014 20:21

The man that gave him the £18k p.a. job has promised a blog about this tomorrow here.
Ooh look, he accepts comments! Wink