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To feel free to use other children's toys in the sandpit?

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HarderToKidnap · 27/05/2014 23:52

We go to lots of parks with our 2.4yo DS. He loves the sandpit and often we take our own spades etc, although sometimes we forget and sometimes go somewhere adhoc and don't have things with us, or go to a new place where we don't realise there is a sandpit.

Now, often in communal sandpits there are various buckets and spades lying around looking abandoned. I always feel free to give these to DS to use, having had a quick peek round for the owner. If after I pick up the spade I can't see anyone looking territorial, I will just give it to him to use. I keep an eye out for anyone coming near us spadeless, so I can quickly check with them whether the spade is theirs, and leave the stuff where i found it when we're ready to go. If I abandon my spade whilst DS toddles off to another attraction and I see someone else using it, I never mind. Just part of being at the park.

Anyway, got a mouthful off someone the other day for using a bucket they'd left in the pit. They'd stuck some paper pictures onto the bucket and one had come off. I'd noticed this before picking up the bucket, which had been laid there a good twenty minutes before DS picked it up. I stashed the paper pic safely and was intending to leave it in the bucket when we left. To reiterate pic had already come off bucket and was next to it. They were REALLY cross about the use of the bucket and obv thought we'd caused the pic to come off.

Discussing with friends today, there seems to be an even split between those who thought I was hideous for using someone else's toys, and those who thought mouthy mother was a lunatic. MN Jury, what say ye?

P.S., I'm not intending to change my behaviour at all, btw, regardless of MN consensus. I love the give and take in the sandpit and have had nothing but positive interactions with other mums and kids re the sharing of toys, save this one incident. This AIBU is purely for information gathering purposes!

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eddielizzard · 28/05/2014 08:53

i don't mind other kids using our toys if they're not being used. i do mind other kids taking toys off my kids.

lottieandmias · 28/05/2014 08:58

YABU - it's not right to give your child the message that it's ok to help yourself to someone else's stuff.

lottieandmias · 28/05/2014 09:01

It's obviously not stealing, but IMO you shouldn't touch someone else's belongings without asking first - it's an important boundary.

mrsruffallo · 28/05/2014 09:04

yanbu

MrsWinnibago · 28/05/2014 09:14

Today I'm going to go into the communal area out the front of my house and pick up and use all my neighbours tools. His spade, his hose...all of it! If he complains I will point out that he wasn't using them and he must learn to share! Grin

BrokenToeOuch · 28/05/2014 09:20

OP, yanbu. I'd have done the same.

Bluegrass · 28/05/2014 09:23

I think the thing which irritates me with the "don't touch" stance is that I take my toddler to playgrounds/sandpits as a place for them to let off steam and explore their environment with the minimum of adult intervention. It is supposed to be carefree play, a break for both of us from the rest of the time when rules are much stricter. As long as they are not in (too much) danger or putting other children at risk I want to be able to largely leave them to it while I watch from a distance.

Put them in a sandpit though and if they see a bucket and spade lying unused (particularly if it is identical to the one at home) they are pulled towards it with irresistible force! I can tell them no, and try to distract them, but 10 minutes of watching them constantly looking across at a bucket and spade and getting increasingly frustrated as they don't understand why they mustn't touch it gets really really wearing. Ultimately what was supposed to be carefree fun turns into a tiring and frustrating session of highly supervised play, with both of us feeling a bit dissatisfied.

If you really don't want you child's toys played with then please do me a favour and pick them up when they abandon them. It will take you just a couple of seconds and make my toddler's time in the sandpit (and my time too) much more relaxed and enjoyable.

LadyintheRadiator · 28/05/2014 09:27

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Fleta · 28/05/2014 09:32

People can be so uptight about these things. I saw a woman lugging around a HUGE spade and collection of buckets (you could have dug out a border with it) while following her precious DC around when he wasn't in the sandpit, I thought it possessive and weird

Or maybe she's fed up of people walking off with her stuff Grin

plantsitter · 28/05/2014 09:36

I bet this is a regional thing. I would like to know where the people who mind come from.

I think it's perfectly ok to use abandoned stuff in the sandpit as long as you are prepared to give it back. If you're that worried about people using it you can always put it away. I also think kids are quite capable of understanding this kind of informal rule change.

However clearly each sandpit has its own rules. Shame they can't be written somewhere at the entrance!

vladthedisorganised · 28/05/2014 09:36

Toys in a sandpit are a grey area as occasionally (in this area anyway) there appear to be 'resident' sandpit toys that everyone uses. I tend to err on the side of caution and get DD to ask first.

However, I also make an important distinction between "Can I borrow this for a few minutes, please?" and "Can I use this? My sister doesn't have any toys either. You have to give her a bucket and spade too. And my friend Gemma doesn't have anything. And my other friend Carly - what have you brought for Carly?" - then snatching DD's toys from her 'because Gemma and Carly need them"

"Ask the lady nicely if you can borrow it for a few minutes," not "tell the lady that she has to provide sand toys for every bloody child in the neighbourhood and get the hump when she hasn't"!

Sorry, I shouldn't go to sandpits on a bank holiday weekend. My response was "it's not nice to snatch, now go and see what your mummy has brought for you and all your friends", FWIW.

LadyintheRadiator · 28/05/2014 09:37

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differentnameforthis · 28/05/2014 09:38

Being generous with your things is not the same as allowing them to be used without permission.

This ^^

I think sharing is overrated sometimes, tbh. Things do get broken when shared as I think some kids don't treat stuff that isn't theirs, as well as they should. Not all kids, but some. And I had this experience a few weeks ago. Some kid thought it was OK to rip something off one of dd's toys, and this was in my house. Of course, she said that someone else (who wasn't even here at the time) did it. Confused

I guess, I wouldn't let a stranger drive off in my car, so I don't force the issues of sharing.

I think it is polite to ask, I am happy to share as long as people have the courtesy to ask me first.

differentnameforthis · 28/05/2014 09:41

Scooters and the like are expensive and breakable. Can't say the same for plastic buckets and spades.

Buckets are breakable too. Infact, probably more so than a bike, to be fair. Above, you make it sound OK if a bucket gets broken because it isn't expensive. I don't think that at all. Everything has it's own value to a child, whether it is high in monetary value or not.

MrsKoala · 28/05/2014 09:42

I have no problem with children helping themselves to stuff which is laying around - regardless of what it is. If DS left his scooter while he went off to play on the swings i really wouldn't care if another child came over and rode it around. Just like i wouldn't stop DS if he went and climbed on another childs bike when they were not on it. It would be very confusing to him to take him to toddler play/gym where all the stuff is laying about for all to use, then to reprimand him or remove something from him when we are at the park.

Of course taking things which are being used is a big no no as is not returning it when requested.

But i'm with you OP. I see no problem with it. It's not the same for adults of course, and as DS grows up and can understand more the rules will change gradually. As far as i am concerned parks and small children are communal play things. I would think someone giving me a gobful was very strange indeed and would tell her and possibly get into some kind of undignified slanging match/fist fight Wink

Morgause · 28/05/2014 09:44

YABU - it's plain bad manners. And it's important to teach children to have good manners and not help themselves to other people's stuff, even if only for a few minutes.

thebodylovesspring · 28/05/2014 09:47

I want to know where all these sand pits are? Grin

HarderToKidnap · 28/05/2014 09:54

Richmond park and Savill garden and bushey park have good ones.

Buckets are breakable??? They are moulded plastic.

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thegreylady · 28/05/2014 09:54

I wouldn't mind as long as it was given back when asked. My dgc are taught to share. Having said that I wouldn't expect them to use other people's stuff without asking.

intheenddotcom · 28/05/2014 09:54

Letting people share is great - when on campsites we often have kids looking longingly at the toys and welcome them to come and play. HOWEVER, you shouldn't encourage your DC to pick up something that isn't theirs and play with it, and if you see them doing it you should stop them and explain that they need to ask the owner. If the owner is not around or says no then they can't use it.

Some people seem to be confusing sharing toys (when all parties are aware and agree) and using something without permission. I'm shocked at the people who let their children use others bikes!

HarderToKidnap · 28/05/2014 09:55

Bikes I wouldn't. Sandpits are more of a communal area though.

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Bluegrass · 28/05/2014 09:59

If these toys were so valued surely they wouldn't be left unattended in a public area full of children of various ages?

Just pick them up - surely it is "plain bad manners" to leave them lying around causing grief for other children and their parents. It's also a good lesson to teach your children - if they value something they must be careful with it, not walk off and leave it in a public place.

BertieBotts · 28/05/2014 10:01

Erm, no, you ask first or ask the DC whose toy it is if you can join in. It's good practice for DC to ask themselves.

Totally abandoned toys are fair game, though, and we've taken some home when it's 100% clear they don't belong to anyone in the park (e.g. if it's empty)

MrsKoala · 28/05/2014 10:01

I'm similarly shocked that anyone would mind a small child riding/playing with a bike/scooter while it wasn't being used. Confused

differentnameforthis · 28/05/2014 10:07

I'd rather jump off a bridge than have a toddler in the sandpit wanting to use my abandoned spade

Now you're being stupid, op!

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