to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

'I was going to write something psephological'

Thank God you restrained yourself. It's an uphill battle, but we are trying to keep the language clean on here.

You don't like dumbing down, and you advocate reading the Daily Mail.

Righto. That's a consistent position.

I see claig has carefully avoided any comment on the rant from the newly elected David Small. Is this the kind of representative you want claig? Because you only have to read most of the reader comments in the Daily Mail to tell you that that represents the views of many of its readers - the views of what you call the people who want Farage and his party in power.

And this is the sharp end of democracy isn't it? The Mail is a popular paper - and it's a poisonous tabloid, full of racist, misogynistic, homophobic bile.

If you rely on it for accurate reporting of any serious issue then I seriously doubt both your intelligence and integrity.

But if this is what the 'people' want....

Maybe it is time to re-assess Churchills view of democracy as the least worst of all the options.

Is this the kind of representative you want claig? '

Of course it is not. Most Mail readers don't want people like him either. And nor will Farage or Diane James or Sizanne Evans or Paul Nuttall or any of the other UKIP leadership.

Spero, that is what New Labour call the Mail, but the Mail is the UK's second most widely read paper with women making up the majority of its readership. The Mail online is the world's most popular news source.

New Labour doesn't like it and I bet Cameron doesn't either and the Bullingdon Club and its global warming fanatics certainly don't and nor do the Etonian greens who want teh population to be drastically reduced si that we can live "sustainably", but millions of ordinary people do. And tonight, we will see how millions of ordinary people voted UKIP too, inspite of Cameron saying trust me, there is no need to vote UKIP. We don't trust him.

Most Mail readers don't want people like him either. And nor will Farage or Diane James or Sizanne Evans or Paul Nuttall or any of the other UKIP leadership

UKIP might distance themselves from him because he's embarrassing: he represents the views of a lot of UKIP voters. And I believe that many DM readers endorse his views too. Ever read the readers' comments in The Metro claig? Or their readers' comments on Facebook? Those are exactly the sort of views they post. And these people are UKIP voters. These are the kind of people you want to be hand in glove with.

And I note that Farage doesn't want a career in politics after 60. Oh no. He'll have made enough money by then to turn to "wrinting media and enjoying myself". Personal gain accomplished. No problems with ongoing hard work or personal accountability. Job done for Nigel.

I also note that under a deal Farage could be elevated to the Lords if he fails to win election to Westminster. "Man of the people"? That will save him from having to do any real work won't it?

'Ever read the readers' comments in The Metro claig?'

I don't read the Metro. What do they say? If it is something not too favourable about Gordon Bennett, then I would be inclined to agree.

My previous internet debates with Claig were about how right the Mail was to expose 'baby snatching targets' in child protection.

So that rather sums it up for me.

Funny how these beliefs - that climate change is rubbish, Europe is awful and the state wants to steal your children - always go hand in hand.

I am not a member of the Bullingdon, nor the metropolitan elite and I think the Mail and is followers are dangerous buffoons whose hatred and suspicion of 'the state' outweighs their capacity for rational thought or reflection.

claig

I am begging you, please, for the love of God, to stop posting the feathers quip.

You have posted it so many many times. I know you think it is hilarious, and it was mildly amusing at the time he said it, but you have killed the humour with your endless repetion.

Post anything else you want to say - but not that AGAIN

'No problems with ongoing hard work or personal accountability. Job done for Nigel. '

Farage has said that he is not one for longterm day to day running of the country. He wil let people who are better at that do that. He has done us all a service in setting the UKIP fox running. I think he would possibly get bored with day to day stuff. That is OK. Everyone has different skills and qualities. I will miss him beacause he could have been one of our finest statesmen - someone who told the truth and not spin about "the EU has blood on its hands over Ukraine". But we will probably just be left with the spinners as usual. But he has done us a service and I will wish him luck.

"Farage, 50, insists he is not interested in power for himself – and by the time he turns 60, wants to have quit politics – with Britain out of the EU.

‘I will consider my job’s done and I would be very happy to hand over to people who might be very good at running the country. I’m in politics because I want to change things, not because I want a career. I don’t want to do this for ever, I don’t want to sit here in ten years’ time, I want to be doing something else by then, in the media, radio, writing, hopefully enjoying myself.’

He has no desire to move into No?10, emulating ‘Canada’s Nigel Farage’ Stephen Harper. ‘I think I could do it but do I think that’s really what I would be best at in life?

‘No. What I’m best at is spotting when something’s wrong and needs to change and agitating to wake people up to what’s gone wrong.’

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2638377/Now-I-destroy-Tory-party-In-crowing-interview-Nigel-Farage-reveals-quit-politics-hes-got-UK-EU.html

Spero, you said your dad will vote UKIP. What paper does he read?

I've asked claig not to keep posting the Gordon thing as well. It simply isn't funny.

claig I've made it quite clear what the Metro says. It's even more the people representative than the DM. I think it could be just your cup of tea.

'It's even more the people representative than the DM. I think it could be just your cup of tea.'

I ike Darjeeling, not PG Tips, that's why I prefer the Daily Mail.

Yes, claig I saw. Farage is simply setting up his media career for when he quits politics. He doesn't give a stuff about the people, isn't in it for long term strategy and wants to hand the hard work and accountability to someone else. A slimy, self serving shyster - very much in keeping with his trousering of money he doesn't work for as an MEP.

So you can "prefer" the DM to another rag you haven't even read? I suppose it's what I'd expect from someone who switched political allegiance to a party with no policies. And what have Darjeeling?PG Tips to do with it?

Farage believes in an idea. As WetAugust said he stood down from the leadership of UKIP and then was asked to come back when it suffered a bit of a decline due to what I think was infighting. Farage would probably wish he never had to bother fighting for that idea and would have wished that we had never signed away our sovereignty.

But we did, and so he fights it. But as Peter Oborne said "Dickens would have loved him", and Dickens would understand that Farage would get bored with day to day grind. He is an ideas man, he sets foxes running, others can do the grind. He wants to sit back in a bar with a fag and a pint and watch the world put back to rights. And millions want that too, which is why we voted for him.

'And what have Darjeeling and PG Tips to do with it?'

It is the same as the difference between Farage and Cameron.

Oh well claig I think he's a self serving shyster with no plans to do any long term work or be accountable to voters. You evidently agree with me: you just endorse that and expressed it differently.

And I still don't see what the tea comparisons have to do with anything. I think you're inhabiting your own little parallel universe.

In my opinion Darjeeling is quality and PG Tips isn't. For me the Mail and Farage are quality.

You see Farage as a shyster. I don't. I understand that everybody has different qualities and different strengths and different interests. I understand that some people believe in global warming and some peope don't. But I don't say that all those who disagree with me are idiots for disagreeing. I understand that people think differently. I understand that some people vote green and some people vote UKIP, but I don't insult them for their beliefs.

I understand that Farage is not a shyster, he is just different to a career politician who for their career will argue about the merits of plain paper packaging for cigarettes because that is their brief. Farage is above brief, because he only says what he believes. He is not a shyster.

I think Blair is more of a shyster.

Blimey, Winston McKenzie of UKIP is on The Big Question on BBC1 now. I will have to record it and watch it back again.

"'Now I will destroy the Tory party':

I expect we will see more headlines like this from the Mail to get the doubting Tories back into the fold. And they will go back.

The election results don't look like complete bad news for Dave: the working classes appear to have shifted to the right. A referendum will be enough to have the protesting middle classes back with him.

Ed needs to get rid of Balls and then persuade his brother back - who could resist the brothers re-united in charge? Or Ed will go. Until then Labour are, in the view of the country, completely unelectable.

Cleggy, I see doing an Al Gore. He should leave party politics and go campaigning/protesting instead.

'I expect we will see more headlines like this from the Mail to get the doubting Tories back into the fold. '

Excellent point. Yes, they are probably trying to scare good Tories that Gordon Bennett's friends will get back in.

'Cleggy, I see doing an Al Gore. He should leave party politics and go campaigning/protesting instead.'

Yes, I can see him flying all over the world to "save the planet" for us and the Bullingdon Club.

claig your repeated references to Gordon are irrelevant and not funny.

More evidence of the sort of "delightful" candidates UKIP attracts and their voters endorse:

www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/politics/11233134.UKIP_candidate_Matthew_Ellery_is_the_son_of_Basingstoke_UKIP_leader_Alan_Stone/

I think UKIP have a lot of "distancing" to do from this kind of embarrassment.