to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

I am not one of you. And I resent and strongly contest your attempts to lay sole claim to the voice of 'the people'. Why did only 17% of those who voted (in a low turnout) vote for UKIP, if they represent the voice of the people, claig?

Farage as a man of principle hasn't been well established. Of course he's a career politician. They all are.

He's planned this very carefully, to the extent that he's avoided having to be accountable by being elected to Westminster in any by election, and he is in no way one of us

'The extreme personal sacrifice is a key point.'

But Farage is like James Cagney in that classic old film. He would rightly have called some of his opponents "a dirty rat". Remember when Cagney stood on that building and said "Ma, I could have been a contender"

Well Farage could have lead the Tory Party with ease. But he chose to sacrifice that for the country and the people - to fight against all the odds and all the spinners to take the UK out of the EU.

And now pardoxically, he is a contender and on Sunday night we will see what he has achieved. I don't know what is going to happen, but I'll be glued to the box because someone told me

"There will be feathers everywhere".

'Why should I have to prove (or disprove?) what you're claiming as fact?'

Because you have been rude to me and I have not been rude to you.
OK, I'll tell you. Have you heard of Britain's most popular tabloid - the Sun?

More deluded drivel. This feathers shit is really creepy.

It wasn't Jimmy Cagney who said 'I could have been a contender', by the way.

No way would Farage ever have led to tory party.

And it obviously didn't satisfy his personal ambition.

He is in no way comparable to Benn or Orwell.

So when did you turn your allegiance from "the party of truth" claig?

JanineStHubbins, when I say the people, I don't mean everyone, I don't mean Gordon Bennett. I am using it to represent the disaffected, the deceived, the disenfranchised, the mocked, the people who haven't voted for years, the people who are causing there to be fetahers for the establishment who ignored and mocked them for years.

I don't mean everybody, but since UKIP is the "populist" party, then when I say the "people", I use it in that sense.

There is a difference between an actor and a fraudster.

Next!

'I think you've moved a long way from your former political stance claig

At one time you stated that you saw no need to vote for anyone but the Conservatives, describing them as the party of truth. I wonder when you will realise that Farage is as big a spinner and liar as anyone else in politics?'

Yes, I have. But when I said the "party of truth" for teh Tories, of course I was joking just like Winston McKenzie jokes about the feathers being everywhere. You may be right, Farage may turn out to be a spinner. I predicted thatthe Newark candidate woukld be Roger Helmer because I knew that would be a mistake. So I will wait and see. But what do you want me to do? Vote for Cameron when I know he is not a Conservative?

I have some principles. I can only vote for what I believe is in the best interests of teh country going forward. I want real democracy, real change, no more spinners, ordinary people in power. So that is what I will vote for.

Oh you were joking when you said that? Okay...

It seemed sincere enough to me when I read it. And it took you a long time after Cameron's election to decide he wasn't a Conservative. Seemingly.

'So when did you turn your allegiance from "the party of truth" claig?'

In last year's council elections. It was a huge step because unlike you, I dislike Gordon Bennett and his party of New Labour spin doctors. i am against much of what they believe. But I can't take any more of Cameron, just like many other true Tories. We don't think he is a Conservative. We think he is like Blair and even admires Blair.

So to potentially waste a vote on UKIP was a huge step, because it might have alowed Gordon Bennett's party in. But fortunately, just like me, thousands of others voted UKIP too and they got the majority.

Now there is no going back to the status quo. There will be feathers everywhere and we will all be watching and applauding.

If you don't mean 'everyone', then don't claim to be speaking for 'the people'. You don't, and UKIP don't. UKIP won 17% of the vote on a turnout of approximately 36%.

"Ordinary people in power" = privately-educated ex-City banker leading party who want me, an average earner to pay the same tax as the Duke of Westminster, and who would take away my rights to be in a union, paid holiday and paid maternity leave. You are having a fucking laugh, except it's the likes of Farage who are laughing at chaps like you, Claig, who vote for this shit.

Tom Newton Dunn went to Marlborough, didn't he? Not Eton. Still posh, yes. Anyone else? I've given you Dave Wooding and a couple of others.

I consider obfuscation and hyperbole with the grace or decency to provide a scrap if evidence for their claims while expecting people to accept what they're saying at face value to be incredibly rude, to be honest. You've been hugely discourteous to a number of people here.

feathers again

'And it took you a long time after Cameron's election to decide he wasn't a Conservative.'

No, you don't seem to understand what is happening and why. It is a slow process, one small thing after another. it is teh little things that count, that make you realise he is not "on our side". Then finally there comes a very little straw that breaks the came's back and there is no looking back. He let Tory voters down and he has paod the price. There is no one to blame but him. The people have "passed the tipping point", they have had enough and that is why they have turned to UKIP.

I have tried to explain that it is not because theyare racist or it is about immigration or the EU. It is the little things that broke the camel's back. he is not "on our side" and as far as we can tell so far, Farage is. And so there will be feathers everywhere on Sunday night.

"Tom Newton Dunn went to Marlborough, didn't he? Not Eton"

Move on, nothing to see.

"Several of the political editors who interview these politicians and report on their work are Old Etonians: James Landale (the BBC), Tom Newton Dunn (the Sun), Patrick Hennessy (the Telegraph), Roland Watson (the Times). And so it goes on. A small world indeed ."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/politics/2013/05/eton-eternal-how-one-school-came-dominate-public-life

'You've been hugely discourteous to a number of people here.'

Then I apologise, because that was never my intention.

Thread is 32 pages long so I'm a bit late to the party but has anyone on here picked up yet on the massive cockups which led to plenty UK resident EU citizens having had their vote denied? There were articles in the Indy and the Guardian, and the #votedenied hashtag is interesting too.

So people who probably are less likely to vote eurosceptic were prevented from voting or had to chase their poll card despite registering, or weren't made aware of the cumbersome procedure of second registration in the first place. And no, I don't think you can place the blame on people who have never received notification.

Outrageous .

I am like Diane James. She is not racist, I am not racist and most UKIP members and voters aren't racist either. We have all just had enough of the spinners. That is what happened and it is growing with every passing day. That is why as Winston McKenzie said "there are feathers everywhere".

"After supporting the Conservatives her entire life Mrs James became “totally disillusioned” by the way the party was being run."

Someone had better tell Marlborough, they claim him as one of theirs.

So... One tabloid then. Good-oh. Glad to know you weren't exaggerating or anything.

Childish but...

Widow, no one's mentioned it but it's utterly disgusting - particularly what some of the officers at the booths said to people who has come to vote - including those who had all the right paperwork.

Meanwhile, I'm going to have dreams about feathers I think. Though not in the way Claig might like.

'This feathers shit is really creepy.'

Then you won't like UKIP candidate, Winston McKenzie, who said it, but I think it is funny. I guess we have a different sense of humour and vote differently too.