to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

We all need to think about what has led us to a place where Farage is seen as a credible 'choice'.

Wet, I'm pretty sure that £55 million figure doesn't take into account what we get out of the EU. Glad to be proven wrong if I am, but if I'm not it's not what we'd save.

The Lib Dems can have whatever policies they like - if a flat tax is one of theirs it doesn't look like it's really a winner for them. When would UKIP's kick in? At what rate? What are they going to set the minimum wage at - would it be a living wage? If not, how would that be dealt with?

So yours was a protest vote Dalziel.

Can't see any point in voting for any of the Big 3. None of them have any appetite for reducing Brussles power. Cleg will probably be an EU Commiissioner next year when he's rejected by the good people of Sheffield Hallam.

No I think people like the hot new thing! I don't think the majority of people care about the EU and mass immigration is only seen as an issue because of lies told by the press. Just report it differently and people won't care.

By the way, Claig, can I check what you mean when you say Etonian? I mean, most people mean it to say 'men who went to school at Eton' but I think you're using it differently?

Because otherwise you're not making much sense.

It should really be "world statesman"

Why? What treaties has he brokered? Which conflicts has he ended? Which people has he freed?

Bonkers.

I also think there is a tendency in this country to want the next new thing without really considering its worth. It is a bit reality Tv/simon cowell they way UKIP are reported on like its one big joke and we need to see how silly a candidate can be and still get chosen. He is a grinning idiotic racist being sold as man of the people.

saying that quite a lot of UKIP voters are ignorant is dangerous patronising rhetoric. It doesn't examine the underlying symptoms IMO - all it does is force a greater nationalist stance by the Tories.

It is dangerous becuase if they are a major player - on the same line as the libdems in the national elections - they could forge a coalition government

patting them on the head and dissmissing them as ignorant is dangerous because before we know it, we will be walking a very dangerous insular nationalist line bordering on facism.

look at the comments about women
look at the comments about lesbians and gays ( in the news today i think)
Look at the racist comments

there is a chance these people could influence national policy.

Seems unlikely, Wet, didn't the Lib Dems do OK in Sheffield, looks like they increased their share of the vote?

Whether the Lib Dems keep Clegg is another question.

'It should really be "world statesman"

Why? What treaties has he brokered? Which conflicts has he ended?'

He was against Cameron's proposed strike on Syria. He was against the EU encouraging the Western Ukrainians to overthrow an elected president and he said that "the EU has blood on its hands over Syria".

He warned about the disastrous Euro and the communistic EU superstate which he warned would lead to disaster and the re-emergence of fascist parties in Europe. He rails at the spinners and puppets in the EU and outlines the dangers of a superstate and its effect on curtailing democracy and sovereignty in nation states.

He is against the puppets, against the spinners and that is why all the newspapers and spinners and Etonians are against him.

"Syria vote a victory for Farage AND Assad, blasts furious Paddy Ashdown"

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/425658/Syria-vote-a-victory-for-Farage-AND-Assad-blasts-furious-Paddy-Ashdown

A strike on Syria could possibly have led to WWIII and who knows where teh EU encouraged situation in Ukraine will lead.

Farage is a statesman of the highest order because he puts the interests of the country and its people above obeying bureaucrats and elites.

I met 2 people involved in UKIP at senior level via family and had a long chat with one of them and he was mind boggling rude and I hate to say it but he was thick.He had some very strange views on women working ie we wouldn't be or if you wanted to they would make it virtually financially impossible His wife otoh appeared really smart and I wanted to talk to her but he kept her very quiet and literally shouted her down at every turn.

'can I check what you mean when you say Etonian? I mean, most people mean it to say 'men who went to school at Eton''

Yes I mean that. And they are part of the establishment.

Farage is the son of a stockbroker privately educated at Dulwich College and he worked in commodities so hardly your average JO.

OK, but where are you getting that from? How big do you think Eton is? Do you really believe all the political editors of national newspapers went to Eton? They really, really didn't so if someone's saying that to you, they're lying.

I think it would definitely be news to Jane Merrick and Caroline Wheeler in particular.

Not even Nick bloody Robinson went to Eton (though he was privately educated).

You're undermining your cause by spouting such obvious nonsense, you know.

Wow. Claig, you really sound deranged. This divisive rhetoric ('us v them' and 'when we win') and all this frothing about spinners and Bullingdon and Etonians and Socialist Workers. Farage a world statesman. If it wasn't so alarming, it would be risible.

I really, truly hope you are not representative of the opinions of UKIP voters. I'm an immigrant (from both an EU country and a former Commonwealth country) and like other posters I do feel increasingly uncomfortable at the anti-immigration discourse that is becoming normalised in this country.

"Others can say what they like. They are probably quoting 6th hand opionions of some other people.

What I have told you is straight from te horses mouth - out of the mouths of the Leader and Deputy Leader - not spin."

The article about the NHS was written by a UKIP candidate and retweeted by Nigel Farage...in what way is that not directly from them?

I'm still struggling with the idea that Farage isn't part of any real or imagined elite, to be honest.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/21/ukip-nigel-farage-anit-establishment_n_5363871.html The UKIP anti establishment stance is laughable and claig your posts are riddled with errors

I thought your average UKIP voter was over 50 & middle-class?
has that changed?

Yes, but so what? He is not part of an elite spinning against the people. They are all spinning like crazy against him because the people are backing him and because he wants to do the unmentionable - leave the EU.

The popular tabloids stuffed full of Oxbridge types and some even with Etonians are all against UKIP, which is the populist party

' Do you really believe all the political editors of national newspapers went to Eton? '

Of course they didn't

I think claig is 'lifting' huge chunks of info from other places and cobbling together a rather confused argument.

Patrick O'Flynn was the political editor of the Daily Express and now is working for UKIP and he didn't go to Eton.

I don't lift from anywhere.

Claig I am not sure how old you are but you do sound like a teenager dipping her toe into politics and just being obtuse for the sake of it with no real knowledge. Deranged may be harsh but certainly confused and ill informed