to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

*ziggie" and they think UKIP have a quick fix answer to shortages in housing, NHS, jobs, schools etc and neither know nor care about their policies.

'there already is a points system'

Not for the 400 million people from the EU

'i don't have a PPE'
chibi, your are not in government. You are not part of the elite.

tend to somewhat agree with claiq, i watched question time and a lib dem blokey by the name of Jeremy Browne made exactly the same point as Claiq and stated it brilliantly as he said that whatever we may think of Farage, he is absolutely appealing to a demographic of people who are sick to the back teeth of being told what to do by elite politicians who do not come across as real and personable. He went on to say that Farage's appeal was in his real personality including his mistakes - just like there is a love of Boris for his bumbling incompetence - because he says it how it is.

his point was then almost immediately put into practice at the next question about housebuilding on greenbelt sites. Dimbleby asked the Tory chris grayling something to the effect of " your conservative colleague stated that we must build on greenbelt land, is this a point you agree with"

and he answered in the way that politicians do - in that slimy ' i'm getting round this question without answering it' kind of way - perfectly illustrating what Jeremy Browne was saying earlier

grayling said something to the effect of " well < pause> um.. i must respect my honourable collegue and he has some good clear points on this issue. We must think of innovative ways to build houses blah blah blah" it was clear if you watch the programme he was trying not to say that his tory colleague was wrong and he had a diffeent view - and dya know what - IF...IF he had, lots more people would have had more respect for him - they may not agree, but they would have respected his answer

as it was, it just wasn't credible, it was bullshit bullshit bullshit, and we all knew it

'I think there's something a bit suspect about someone like claig who's so evangelical about a party with no policies. '

I know why I vote UKIP. Because they are for leaving the EU, restoring sovereignty to the people, are against the "green crap", against the spin and lies and against the elite who push those policies. They are for business and for the people.

That's called democracy. If you want to vote for people like Gordon Brown, that's your right. But I prefer Farage.

So, um, Etonians, media correspondents and paid socialist workers have some sort of underground rota going on so they can follow Farage around hoping they get the chance to make a wanker sign at him as he's in front of a camera?

Yes that seems likely.

Exactly, Custardo. People have put up with this bullshit and spin for years and they have done it silently while the media promoted all these people and bath plug claimers. But now the people have "passed the tipping point" and want change.

Some vote Green, some vote UKIP, but either way people have had enough.

"For the people"

I've asked you to explain how UKIP would look after the interests of women and the disabled. You couldn't.

They are people. So that lofty for the people crap has no meaning whatsoever in the absence of policy.

tabulahrasa, it was a joke.

The person making a wanker sign to Farage was probably a Bullingdon Club member with top hat and tails - because it is the Bullingdon Club, the Etonians and their media cronies who ferar Farage because he wants to leave the EU and that is not allowed. They have thrown the kitchen sink at UKIP to try and put voters off but their efforts have failed and only attracted more people to vote UKIP because teh people have had enough.

So how about answering why Farage milking the EU as an MEP makes him any different to those who criticise?

i don't know. i think about leaving a lot. my english husband is happy here, and would not allow me to take my children back to my home country to stay.

i would have to go without them, i can't imagine doing that.

sorry.

my youngest will be 18 in another 14 years, i will hang on til then and hope for the best.

Of course people perceive Farage as straightforward and other politicians as evasive. They're accountable. He isn't. Very clever of him.

It isn't those people who fear UKIP...I have no idea how those people feel about them because I'm not one if them.

I'm completely ordinary and I've read what UKIP have written about people with disabilities, I've listened to what they themselves say about women...and it's scary that people are willing to give them any power.

No media spin, going straight to the source - they do not represent ordinary people.

After all, even after these council elections the party haven't won any councils. So they don't get to do anything or have to be accountable at all.

Personally I distrust a party who deny that environmental degradation is a problem claig. But you and I have discussed this before, when you maintained there was plenty of fish in the sea for everyone to take as much as they could, for example, despite the evidence of science. Oh well...

'I've asked you to explain how UKIP would look after the interests of women and the disabled. You couldn't. '

Because women and the disabled are people. UKIP is the party of the people against the privilegged elite. That is why every newspaper is against UKIP and every politician is against UKIP. It is us vs them and when we finally win, then everybody will benefit because our taxpayer money won't be sent to the EU, there will be limits to the number of bath plugs that can be claimed, there will be an end to taxpayer subsidies to the landed aristocracy to erect windfarms on their land and there wil be proportional representation and a system of referenda. Our money will be spent in our hospitals and in our care homes. There will be no more gagging clauses for whistleblowers. We will fix the country and end the scams.

UKIP do not whip their councillors so they can disagree with Farage - Farage said on the news last night that they are big enough and ugly enough to do their own thing and he does not want "a politically correct nothingness" - and agree with the local people. It will be democracy and rule by the people with UKIP listening to local people through local referenda. That is what frightens teh Bullingdon Club and that is why all their media toadies are doing the best to throw the kitchen sink at Farage.

The person making a wanker sign to Farage was probably a Bullingdon Club member with top hat and tails - because it is the Bullingdon Club, the Etonians and their media cronies who ferar Farage because he wants to leave the EU and that is not allowed.

Ha ha ha! Have you even seen that clip?

I don't think claig can explain how UKIP will benefit ordinary people, let alone the vulnerable.

Of course UKIP can't tell us either.

Did your listen to Any Answers on Radio 4 this lunchtime. It's a phone in. They had a call from an Eastern European man who had come here to live some years ago and who wanted an end to open door immigration as he claimed it was changing the culture of the UK.

Very interesting.

We should all be very wary of the cult of personality - look what it gave us with Tony Blair. Semmed like a nice chap and everyone rushed to vote for him - turned out to be an utter s

Farage can trouser as much as he wants - not that I think he does but even if he did I couldn't care as long as he believes in getting us out of the EU. The EU is so bent that its own auditirs have declined to sign off its accounts for decades. It's a corrupt institution.

'Personally I distrust a party who deny that environmental degradation is a problem claig. '

OK, well that is democracy. We all think differntly. More people vote UKIP than green. More people agree with Farage than with Etonian green guru, adviser to Labour Prime Minister, Gordon Bennett, Jonathan Porritt, who has suggested that the UK population should be reduced to about 30 million if we are to live sustainably.

Not buying that as a proper economic explanation sorry.

And you still haven't explained why it's ok for Farage to trouser money as an MEP but you're so critical of every other politician.

'Ha ha ha! Have you even seen that clip?'

I haven't. But I have no doubt that every media commentator working for the system and the Bullingdon Club will be showing it non-stop on loop so that the public sees what the media wants them to think.

After all, even after these council elections the party haven't won any councils. So they don't get to do anything or have to be accountable at all.

That's very naive. You can exercise a lot of power by holding the balance of power. You are accountable by virtue of the fact you have taken on a public role.

Oh, goodness gracious. All politicians are against politicians of every other party. All other politicians are against UKIP because they want their own parties to win. Farage is a politician who takes home over £100k a year for not showing up for work a lot of the time.

And I think there's a huge gulf between seeing the appeal of Farage, UKIP, their spin and their lies and the messianic, reverential tones in which some in this thread are talking about him. If he has all the answers, it would be great if he shared some of them. If you believe that leaving the EU is the silver bullet for all Britain's social and economic woes then you may want to read a little more widely.

Honestly, do you think there is such a thing as a homogeneous system? Or that 'the media' (who usually violently disagree with each other on just about everything) have made a secret pact on how to take down UKIP?

Or is it possible, just possible, that they agree with the cast majority if people who bothered to vote on Thursday? There's quite a lot of us. Are we all Bullingdonian metropolitan elites?

"Farage is a politician who takes home over £100k a year for not showing up for work a lot of the time."

That sounds like a bargain for what he has achieved in rattling the establishment. As Winston McKenzie so graphically said.

"What I can hear is UKIP, UKIP, UKIP and I understand that the UKIP fox has struck yet again. He has struck and there are feathers everywhere"