to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

" if there are too many people here"

There are not too many people here. No one is getting kicked out apart from the councillors and MPs and MEPs of the failed parties. On Sunday the "UKIP fox" will strike again and as Winston so graphically put it "there will be feather everywhere".

There are elite groups and thinkers who think there are too many people on this island and many of them are green thinkers, but the media won't highlight that to the public because these are the elite, the establishment, the Etonian types. Maybe they even have PPEs.

"Jonathon Porritt, one of British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's leading environmental advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Porritt's call will come at this week's annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.

The trust will release research suggesting the U.K. population must be cut to 30 million if the country wants to feed itself sustainably "

www.foxnews.com/story/2009/03/25/uk-green-advisor-cut-britain-population-in-half/

UKIP is the party of the people, not the party of the elite. The only thing that UKIP will cut and reduce is the fat cat salaries of the metropolitan elite and all of their perks and scams.

I didn't vote in this election because I've just moved to a new area and didn't register my forms in time, but from what I can garner from opinion round here; it's a protest vote. People are sick to bloody death of not being listened to; the biggest one round here is housing. People are renting houses they should be buying; but the bank won't lend to them or they can't save the deposit. The system is outdated and needs to be fixed, so when Ukip come along and say 'it's immigration; there are too many people using up resources and jumping ahead in the housing market...' It plays on people's fears and they vote. And who hasn't got an NHS horror story?! It's easy to blame it on immigration, isn't it?

Maybe things that actually matter to people, that get used every day, need to be fixed. The housing situation, the overstretched NHS. Ukip is giving a simple answer to these issues.

"Do you think that the 30% of voters voting UKIP have no disabled children or no disabilities?"

No, I think they haven't read UKIP's last manifesto because after having it written, reading it and releasing it as representing them, they removed it and tried to hide it, I think they're unaware of the little UKIP are saying about other issues because they concentrate so hard on putting out their immigration and EU stance.

Still waiting for the evidence that UKIP will work in the interests of women and the disabled claig

Still waiting for hard evidence of the media lies...

"the tone on Farage above is slightly messianic"

Can't you understand Farage's appeal, don't you see how people react whenever they see him as the news showed in Essex after the election results.

People are desperate for change. The spinners on TV never put ordinary people on TV, it is always the Oxbridge elite who lecture the public about how they should think, what they should eat and what they should drink. People see Farage as a hope for change as someone who has got the system rattled as the UKIP fox who is rustling feathers.

And why is Farage running scared of standing for Westminster claig? Or at least standing in a credible seat?

Farage isn't ordinary. Aren't you listening?

Any progress on refuting the media lies claig?

"And why is Farage running scared of standing for Westminster claig? Or at least standing in a credible seat?"

If he had run for Westminster, he'd be accused of being an opportunist. The headlines were already written for that one.

"You'll appreciate that this makes people like chibi and me nervous."

Of course, I understand that. But it is the media and the political class who have created these unnecessary fears as they frightened peope to try and stop UKIP winning more votes. UKIP are not going to stop immigration. They just want to be able to control it with a points system. UKIP have ethnic minority candidates. They are not racists.

I don't know what UKIP's policies are, they haven't released them, they are working on them. Let's wait and see what they are.

He's already run for Westminster. He's just been careful to get maximum um publicity while not having any chance of winning.

As I said., if he won he'd be financially worse off, would be accountable, have to deal with people's real issues and have to do some proper work.

It would interfere with his current stance as a misunderstood outsider.

don't you see how people react whenever they see him as the news showed in Essex after the election results.

I saw a clip of a guy making a wanker sign at him as he was being interviewed outside a pub. Apparently the guy has had many people offering to buy him a drink. His pub fund is now at about £800.

The particular reaction was rather telling, I thought, especially as it came from a blokey pub kind of guy.

So you can't refute the media lies as you call them. Thought not.

there already is a points system

to obtain my first work visa, i had to find a job (before entering the country) and my employer had to demonstrate that, not only were there no british people to do this job, there were no people in the EU either.

and when my work visa was granted, it had NO ACCESS TO BENEFITS stamped on it. it was also time dependent- good only for that job. if i wanted to ork somewhere else, i had to leave the country and start he process all over again

No ilove, they're not listening. No one is listening, and that's the whole reason people are sick to death of the major 3 parties. So sick of it, they'll vote for a party with no clear policies other than immigration and universal flat rate tax.

So you'd rather wait and see what their policies rather than try to work out if their views match yours by reading what they themselves write and say?

Are you really expecting the policies to reflect something different than what they write and say?

ilovesooty, let's see if Farage runs now. Because now he has a chance of winning. Up to now, he did not have the same profile and support that he is now getting. But he has succeeded in causing a political earthquake and the tremors will be felt for years to come. The establishment is reeling, the people are rising and the out-of-touch spinners will be toppled.

Farage's main goal over the last 20 years has been to fight for Britain to leave the EU. Maybe he never wanted to be an MP or even a Prime Minister, but now he no longer has much choice. Everywhere he goes he is feted because the public are desperate for change and they want the old spinners kicked out. He will either have to wear the public mantle or retire and leave the ring. But the baton will be passed on to someone else because for the people there is no longer any turning back, they are fed up with the status quo.

i don't have a PPE

i did not go to oxford or cambridge, i am not wealthy, i do not live in london, or work in media

in short, i don't think am a member of some kind of elite. i used to think i was an ordinary briton

all of this makes me feel like i have a target on my back. i guess we will see.

Cameron is going to have to start appeasing the 'squeezed middle' and 'generation rent', because they're the ones voting Ukip. I'm interested to see what he comes up with in the next few weeks, because if Ukip's policies (if they ever get announced) match what their candidates say, then these groups of people making a protest vote in the general election could have serious consequences.

'I saw a clip of a guy making a wanker sign at him as he was being interviewed outside a pub'

That was most probably an Etonian, a media correspondent working for the system or a paid-for Socialist Worker working for the establishment.

claig how do you come to that conclusion?

I think there's something a bit suspect about someone like claig who's so evangelical about a party with no policies.

And it disturbs me that so many people will vote for nothing more than "Stop those foreigners taking our houses, our jobs, our hospital beds and our school places" - which is all that massive vote was based on, as I see it. Oh, and "All the foreigners are taking these things because we're in the EU"

ilove I think it shows how exasperated people are with all those things you just listed.

I actually wonder about claig's thought processes after that last post.