to think it proves lots of people want change

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That ukip are making such huge gains in the elections.
If mnetters could temper their hysteria of screaming racism, I think it is a clear indication that the fundamental principals of the party of no toEurope and no to continued mass immigration are very important to a lot of people

FUCKING HELL, PHONE. It insists on autocorrecting 'policies' to 'pixies' if I get one letter wrong. I've caught it every other time!

Aah - so it's NOT in their manifesto !

Honey22
"Is there the same amount of brits living in these places as there is for instance pakistanis living in the UK?"

I think the Spanish might just say the same in certain parts where English is the main language, where local jobs are taken by British to serve British who don't speak the language. And the locals are priced out of the property market by foreigners.

StarGazey, if you can show me where they've published any thought-through policies since the last election, I'll have a lot more time for this

Not my job to do this Jassy - look it up yourself.

But is it the fault of immigration, or is it the fault of a system that doesn't tackle these problems effectively?

A very valid point, Jassy, but maybe it gets complicated by a perception that minority groups get better treatment, an unfair share of the benefits, a blind eye turned to lawbreaking or whatever ... and then that many feel they can't mention their views because they'll get shouted down??

I'm not necessarily saying that any of these things are true, but it can't be denied this is how many feel - and people can only be told so often that they can't speak up

They don't have an up to date manifesto. It didn't stop people who wanted to vote for them. Obviously those voters were happy to overlook the documented expressions of opinion by their candidates and supporters. If those who voted claimed to be unaware of those opinions it seems to me that they voted on an anti immigration ticket as the campaign didn't seem to cover anything else.

Sorry - sceaming @Racist' is now a little bit out of date. Even the Press and Beeb have finally admitted that UKIP is not racist. Please try to keep up.

So - all these other parties that I could have voted for that are anti EU? You mean BNP - I don't think so

Or the Greens who want to despoil this green and plesant land with their bloody wind farms - no. I like my politics grown up and the Green vote is for naive teenagers.

There were several anti EU choices on my ballot paper actually.

They want to cut maternity pay and have stated more than once that they think it should be fine to discriminate against young women when hiring on the basis that they may have children, (there's less rights straight away) they want to remove laws that affect things like paid holidays.

Their manifesto for the last election included stopping inclusion for children with disabilities, cutting disability benefits to less than unemployment benefits and segregated communities for adults with disabilities.

They complain about the figures and resources put into children with English as an additional language in schools, but those figures include their leader's own children.

In fact the whole education part of their last manifesto was just ludicrous, pro-corporal punishment, anti-teacher but with no actual plans or specific ideas about what it was they would do differently or in fact any idea of what it was they were unhappy about. It was things like stopping trendy teaching ideas and bringing back learning to read and write - as if teachers were trying to teach something else instead.

They want to prioritize awarding social housing on the basis of if you live where your grandparents were born, I live about 100 miles away, my OH about 30 miles, but it's a different local authority so we'd be ineligible for housing by the time we were dropped down the list, it's a ridiculous unworkable idea.

They want to allow people to pay for quicker service within the NHS, including at A&E.

They're against gay marriage.

Their flat tax rate would make the gap between richer and poorer wider than it already is and affect struggling families the most.

So ok, the no rape within marriage was just a financial backer...but the rest isn't.

Now maybe you are ok with one or two of them...but really that's the party you're happy supporting?

Lucky uou Ilivesooty. didn't have your great choice of party to vote for.

I am sick fed up of people talking about UKIP as thought it's something you've trodden in.
Name me any political party and I'll name you some of its criminals and other dodgy charachets.

The on;y difference is that the big 3 parties have well-esablished Press Officers, Whip, and good relations with PR experts and the Press that enable them to keep some of the stories about their dodgy dealers out of the Press. UKIP doesn't have that luxury - yet so no wonder you see the underbelly that is hidden within the other big 3.

Talusha - your post is utter bollocks because they have not published their manifesto . You are referring to an out of date publication. Do you want to harp back to other parties out of date manifestos - like those that though equal pay for women was not on or those that didn't want a minimum wage.

No - thought not.

UKIP have no published manifesto for 2015 and neither does Ed or Dave. Not that having a manifesto makes any dofferenece anyway as they just ignore it as soon as they are elected. Anyone remmeber the 1million IHT thresaholdthe Tories promised us. Thought not.

And in the past few weeks I have attended meetings where Farage and his deputy, Nuttall sopke about employment, NHS etc and what you wrote is pure fabricated lies.

I don't care if it's an out of date manifesto...it's only 4 years ago, do you really think they suddenly care about people with disabilities when 4 years ago they wanted to cut their benefits and make them live in segregated communities?

Or that they will completely backtrack on things they seem fairly attached to?

Oh and have you read the BNP manifesto? It's not dissimilar to UKIP's stance on many issues, not just the EU, so why are BNP worse than UKIP? As far as I can see they're equally abhorrent.

In regards to immigrants taking blue collar jobs I seem to remember the benefit to UK workers going off to Germany living 15 to a house earning their money and bringing it home.

Why do some people think these things only happen in the UK.

I didn't consider it particularly lucky. I'm pro EU membership. I expect others were glad of the choices though.

Now you're just being silly.

Article about the NHS, written by Jonathon Stanly a UKIP candidate and retweeted by Farage which states to get treatment for a condition in A&E that would have a longer wait time at triage than 4 hours could be paid for and that GPs could charge a flat fee for non-emergency cases...what is that if it's not paying for faster treatment?

None of the things I wrote came from anywhere other than UKIP publications or interviews...other than that having read BNP's policies, IMO they're fairly similar in many areas.

Do you really believe all the crap that the desperate media and establishment are trying to spread to stop the people from voting for a real opposition to their cosy failing system that has let the country down and handed over our sovereignty to an unelected, unacountable bunch in Brussels?

Do you think that Farage or his daughters or his wife believe in all the crap that the desperate establishment is spinning about UKIP?

Do you think that UKIP candidates like Diane James believes in that stuff?

The system is desperate. It is frightened that real, honest, decent people are going to gain power in councils and in Brussels and in Westminster, that these people will listen to ordinary people and ordinary voters and give them local referenda on issues that have more than 5% support. The system knows that then it will be over, they won't be able to con and ignore the public anymore.

Here is something about Diane James. Do you think she believes in the crap that the system accuses UKIP of? She decided she wanted to stand for Parliament, and thank God she did. Because it is decent people like her that are going to give power and representation to ordinary people.

"Mrs James eventually set up her own international consultancy business, interpreting healthcare policy across the world to help companies make their products successful.

But politics soon came calling.

After supporting the Conservatives her entire life Mrs James became “totally disillusioned”

by the way the party was being run.

When a by-election was called in her current home village of Yewhurst in Surrey in 2006 Mrs James stood as an independent.

As she recalls, she came “from nowhere” to take a seat that had been held by the Tories for 18 years, winning a berth in Waverley Borough Council.

She retained the seat a year later, before standing again for election in 2011, romping to victory with 74 per cent of the vote.

Mrs James said: “I’ve been involved in politics for seven years now and I’ve learned a hell of a lot.

“I’d made this point to a number of people who had questioned me: did I want to be an MP? And it finally came home to me in a big way last year that I did want to try and follow that as an ambition.

“I did a lot of soul searching and I decided that UKIP was the only party that I could perceive as credible and see where I would fit.”

www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/politics/elections/eastleigh_2013/news/10248557.Diane_James___UKIP/?ref=rss

That's exactly my point, Star. They've apparently abandoned their last manifesto and replaced it with exactly precisely fuck all in terms of policy or replacement manifesto. (I know this, by the way, because I did look it up.) Other parties don't have manifestos yet but they've been a lot clearer on their platforms across a spectrum of policies ahead of the election.

So what are people to go on, in term of statements about women and gay people and taxation, if not from statements from their leader, candidates, or members, if we're not allowed to refer to the Disappeared Manifesto?

And honest to god, how do people think political parties' manifestos get made, if not from the beliefs of their memberships?

Wet, what did they say their policies were on those issues? They seem reluctant to write down any detailed policies.

Worth pointing out UKIP has a very well-funded, professional press machine run by an ex-Fleet Street political editor. These attempts to portray them as outsiders who don't have the party machine of other parties are ridiculous because they don't stack up in the face of facts, and UKIP are trying to take people for a bunch of chumps.

I was torn as to who to vote for. I summed it up as:

Old school club. Let's keep this country for those in the club.
bickering incompetent party who messed up the country last time.
Spineless turncoats
racists.

I was a bit stuck really

That's the thing, what do you go on other than their last manifesto and what they themselves publish and say?...

There's no media bias on what they're actually saying, that's what I base my opinion on.

They're obviously succeeding in making people believe they're "real, honest and decent"

And without a sophisticated publicity machine. Bless.

It really doesn't matter Jassy whether they have a manifesto or not, nor what it contains.

Doesn't it still occur to you that people have voted for UKIP because they are totally and utterly fed-up with the elite parties who have not listened. Boy, what a further shock they will get tomorrow.

You cannot change what has, and will happen. People have basically voted with their feet. People are fed-up. People are disillusioned. Nobody in the establishment listened. But they are bloody well listening now, aren't they?

'Worth pointing out UKIP has a very well-funded, professional press machine run by an ex-Fleet Street political editor. '

He has only been appointed to that role recently, less than 1 year ago.

For years, they did not have a full policy palette because they had no chance of winning power. Now it is a different ball game. The public wants change and like it or not, UKIP is also changing and becoming more professional because the public has come calling and at every doorstep in the land the public is telling UKIP candidates what it wants and that is why UKIP has hired new press officers and got new candidates and sacked idiots and is coming up with policies that the public are crying out for as it listens to the public on every doorstep and in public meetings all over the land.

UKIP will release their new manifesto. It will contain lots of policies, but nothing like the crap the media keeps spinning. The Conservative who wrote their old manifesto and who was described as an "idiot" by Farage has returned to the Conservatives.

UKIP has changed and the country is about to change because the people are demanding change. Sunday night's results will show the extent of the earthquake that is coming. The system is being rocked and the people are going to get change and it is UKIP that will bring it about.

Every doorstep in the land?

What an exaggeration I can assure you that if they were to knock on my door I'd be dismissing them sharpish.

And I live in the ward in my city which is one of the least affected by cultural changes and polled the highest UKIP vote in the council elections. We used to have a BNP councillor at one point. I think I can make a pretty good guess at the motivation behind that voting pattern.

I'm not denying that at all, Star. Which you'll realise if you've read any of my posts.

What I'm saying is that I'm worried people see UKIP as the answer and as the natural party of protest.

What I'm saying is that UKIP are taking people for a ride. Farage is a brilliant and well-connected politician who is making vast sums out of being an MEP, who has the former political editor of the Express running his media operation and has managed to convince people he's an outsider, anti-establishment hero with no friends in the media. He's careful not to publish much in the way of domestic policy so that he can continue to distance himself from anything that draws criticism, that would distract from his party's status as a single-issue party of protest. It's a breathtakingly brilliant feat to pull off, and I'm hugely interested to see what he manages to get through their conference and leadership as their GE manifesto.

And I'd say a good number of the vast majority who didn't vote UKIP are 'real, honest and decent'.