AIBU to think you don't let your children play out in the garden to scream at each other/play at 7.45 on a Sunday morning!

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I genuinely thought I had had a massive lie in when I was woken up by the sound of children playing -but no, it was before 8am!

Mum has just ineffectually started shushing them but was met with a toddler screaming 'NO' at her

Now I appreciate these children may be early risers etc but have a bit of consideration for your neighbours, surely?!

Actually, I've been up since 6.30, never so that ruins your last point!
And if I'm in bed until later than that, it is because I am sleeping, not because I'm lazing about, or lying in - because I simply cannot lie in bed once I wake up.

There is no "right" to make a noise outside in the early morning! Only a very self-centred person would even suggest such a silly notion. Your actions impact on others - what is so hard to understand about that and why would you willingly be so incredibly selfish? reading the paper does not disturb anybody - but loud noises in the early morning does, so there is simply no logical comparison between the two activities.

I feel sorry for your neighbours.

Never, I quite clearly said I'm an early riser and agree with keeping a lid on the noise till a reasonable hour, which before 9am on a weekend is not exactly going to 'waste' my whole day.

I think calling those who want to sleep till 9am at least lazy is just goading tbh, I'm a little surprised that you can't conceive of a world where that's normal (it is), but that's what consideration is. Understanding that other people have things they enjoy that could be impacted by something you do and out of consideration compromising slightly so you're not unnecessarily being a twat about it.

If you really can't empathise with the notion then it's just pointless trying to explain the concept of consideration.

Yanbu. 9am is considerate at the weekend.

Having a much-needed rest at the weekend is not "lazing about" - it's recharging your batteries for another busy week. And, as a pp pointed out, letting the children tear about the garden noisily early in the morning so you don't have supervise them could be called lazy parenting.

Why is it that posters with an opposing viewpoint are accused of being "sanctimonious"? It's becoming massively overused on MN. I don't agree with what you're saying, Never, but I wouldn't dream of calling you "sanctimonious".

My upstairs neighbour's wee boy starts running around at about 7:30 every morning, I'd be perfectly happy to have him go outside to play.

Though, honestly, it rarely wakes me up, and even if it does I'm not likely to get upset about it. He's four. That's what little ones do.
I agree that screaming can be annoying, but I'd rather hear kids screaming because they're having fun than screaming because they're upset or frustrated.

Is the whole world supposed to SSSHHHHH because you're one of the lucky few who get a lie in on a Sunday morning?

Yes.

You feel sorry for my neighbours Katie? I'd already stated that my children were still eating breakfast at 9.45 am and I would probably have to shove them outside with a broom and that I personally would not send them out that early (even if they were out of bed which is not likely)! But yes, my poor poor neighbours (who will have been out cycling since about 6.30 am knowing them)

I don't have to be doing something myself to see the point of others (when they're right). But assume away and look like an idiot

The point I had made actually was that neither side had "rights" and neither side had the moral high-ground on "consideration". The sanctimony Saul in my view arises from the fact that the desperately- need-a-lie-in brigade are so sure that they are right and more importantly that the others are wrong

No-one needs a lie in unless you are shift worker in which case I just don't think you can expect normal life to stop for others. I believe a lie in is not actually very good for you certainly not as good as getting even amounts of sleep throughout the week so if you need more sleep you need earlier nights through the week. Even DH who finished work at 5 is (just) up now so as not to waste the day.

And the sun has now hit the back patio so I am off with that broom!

There is no "right" to make a noise outside in the early morning! Only a very self-centred person would even suggest such a silly notion

there is no "right" to silence either! Only a selfish person would expect their neighbours to expect your neighbours to curtail what they might want to do til 9 o clock!!

And who says that children outdoors will not be supervised Saul? DC2 is 20 months. I'm hardly going to shove her outside on her own - and I don't see many kids round here in the gardens (or even playing down our long shared drive) without the parents at the very least washing/vaxing their cars with an eye on them. Whereas laying in...

I don't let my children out until 9. Just courteous. My dislikeable neighbour's children are out from 7 and we are in tiny terraces, literally feet from each other and back to back, so it's basically like having her children in my bedroom. There are at least ten properties within shrieking distance of her so that's a lot of people being disturbed. I've done more than my share of early morning wakeups and now that my youngest is 4, I do occasionally get to sleep in until 8 unless neighbour's children intervene.

No, there's no rule (although in our area, noisy building works are not permitted before 8am and not at all on a Sunday so that's probably the very least one should expect). But it really comes down to the fact that it is actually really annoying - my neighbour annoys me and, taking note of that, I don't do the same to my neighbours.

And it really doesn't matter what time your children got up - your children, your problem. There's plenty of time for fun in the sun during the whole of the rest of the day.

Yes, I do feel sorry for your neighbours, never because of your post that
Expectations of waiting until 9 am to those who have been awake and itching to get out since 7 is not "considerate".

No assumptions at all, just a honest comment about a post that shows a complete lack of consideration to others that has obviously struck a nerve with you, given your response.

You seem to be rather obsessed with "lie ins" despite the fact that many people will still be asleep at 7am at the weekend. You know, because they don't have to get up ridiculously early and commute to work.

never you have a real issue with people wanting to sleep past 7 am on a non work day morning, don't you? You've made several pointed comments about 'lazing in bed'.

There is absolutely no need for screaming whatsoever.
Indeed but DS2 seems to think otherwise. While I always do something about it, he has already screamed by then so it's too late.
Without gagging him I don't know how to stop him doing it in the first place. He has always been a loud child. I have 4DC and thankfully he is the only screamer because it is hard.

The more I think about this the less I think children playing out it is a massive problem here. I live in a terraced house and us and our neighbours hear each other inside as well as outside.
We hear each other's TV's, music, vacuuming, microwaves and toilets flushing.
I think for my attached neighbours if my children are playing inside noisily is worse than if they are outside being noisy.

Yes, what a crime, kids out in the fresh air playing and making noise! If 6am maybe too early. I don't think 7.45 is terrible.

Nobody is saying it is a crime. Why do posters do that? Create a statement/dram where it never existed.

What they are saying is that it is too early and not considerate. Most posters agree that 9 am is early enough even 8:30 is better than 7:45.

I didn't realise that neighbours rights to have an extra half hour came before children's rights to play outside?

Obviously common courtesy comes into play but why should children be kept in just in case someone "needs" a lie in? In the next sentence you may frown upon children vegetating in front of the TV or on an iPad for three hours.

So when is the latest teenagers should be outside having a laugh with their mates at a BBQ then, how late do they have the 'right' to play outside, 10pm, 11pm, midnight? Later?

Then if it matters so much take the precious DC's out to the park or for a walk. That way they are getting their much needed outside time (because waiting 1 hour and 15 minutes will make a huge difference) and will not disturb neighbours who have worked all week/haven't slept well due to teething DC or illness or any other reason. Or is plonking them in the garden easier lazier.

It is courtesy and not right that is the general consensus.

How many actual sunny days do we get here? Jeez - kids playing outside on a lovely sunny morning and yes they tend to make screamy noises. It's life for goodness sake. I once lived in a place so rural and fresh the birds were so many and so loud it was louder than screaming kids. Wonderful.

YABVU

Think it all depends on how well you get on with your neighbours really.
If you loathe them with a passion then by all means let them play out early

Yabu children have a different schedule to adults, I don't complain about my neighbors music or party noise at 7.8.9.10pm even though my toddler is sleeping but when he wakes at 6 we go out into the communal garden ( after breakfast so around 7) the sun is too strong to play outside in the middle of the day I want to make the most of the outside time.

If you want silence when it's convenient for you I suggest you move somewhere isolated ( or buy ear plugs).

No they don't have the right either Odd and should be asked to end the party at a reasonable time but then again are these parties happening every Friday & Saturday night? If so I would suggest people complain to the necessary bodies.

I should have been clearer, do those who think young children have the right to make noise outside at the time that suits their body clocks think that teens have the right to make outside noise when it suits their body clocks? If you think one is wrong do you think the other is also wrong?

Children have no automatic "right" to play outside early in the morning.

You do have the right to enjoy your home peacefully in terms of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights.

There is also a reasonable expectation that people living in a community will not do things that have a negative impact on their neighbours.