AIBU to think you don't let your children play out in the garden to scream at each other/play at 7.45 on a Sunday morning!

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I genuinely thought I had had a massive lie in when I was woken up by the sound of children playing -but no, it was before 8am!

Mum has just ineffectually started shushing them but was met with a toddler screaming 'NO' at her

Now I appreciate these children may be early risers etc but have a bit of consideration for your neighbours, surely?!

Uri the noise from somebodies car will last about 2 minutes.
Unlike the noise from playing children.

I am sorry you do not have the opportunity to lie in. Up until recently (4 dc's) I hadn't had a decent weekend lie in for 8 years so why should I continue not to just because you can't?

It is not about law it is about consideration. If we all behave like inconsiderate arse holes the world would be a tired and angry place.

I never thought to send DD2 out to wave bye to neighbour who was hooking up a trailer and in and out of his garage loading up said trailer at about 7:30. Regular Sat n Sun occurrence during the week I don't notice as Im in the shower.
Sadly she would have needed aforementioned hat, scarf and gloves if her wee hands were out waving.
Grrrrs at sunny Nottingham MNetters.

what a crap thread, kids playing out at 7.30am the horror

Nice to hear kids playing, sure, but that high pitched screaming some do, no thanks.
Where I live, I'm up before any of the kids anyway, it seems. Now the poor (large) dog next door who is confined to a tiny garden, and barks mournfully, sometimes all through the night, that is a whole other story.
I feel so sorry for him.

YANBU. At weekends people should wait until 9am before letting kids out to play, mowing lawns, loudly emptying bottles into recycling bins, blowing good byes to their spouse with the car horn, and all the other stupid things that people do with no consideration whatsoever for their neighbours.

No screaming allowed but I would rather dc played out in earlier and then came in when sun was at its hottest (easy burners here)

Surely it's all about being considerate to others?

Late night/early morning noises in gardens is always inconsiderate, whether from adults playing music/chatting in loud voices after a few drinks; children playing; dogs barking; people using electrical lawnmowers, strimmers etc.

Noise travels - so it's pretty irrelevant if your next door neighbour is already up, or disturbed you previously because you are going to be disturbing other people and creating a vicious cycle of noise at an unreasonable hour.

9am on a Sunday morning is just basic consideration for others. Having children, the weather being lovely (how I wish - it is cold and grey here) are just excuses for being inconsiderate.

It's not really hard to show a bit of consideration to your neighbours surely? I'm a naturally early riser (have been for years) and often see in the dawn even in summer, but I wouldn't dream of inflicting the vac or lawnmower on my neighbours at 7am just because I've been up for a couple hours any day of the week. By extension no one in this house is being taught that it's ok either.

It's not a terrible compromise to make is it?

I fail to see where the consideration is in lazing around in bed expecting other people to sit quietly waiting until YOU can be arsed to get up and do something constructive with the day.

Please do enlighten me at the massive public service such "considerate" people are providing?

I wouldn't let DS put before 9am, probably 9.30 on a Sunday. Very inconsiderate otherwise.

Where is the expectation to sit quietly?

What is being said is that screaming children and lawn mowers should not be let loose before 9am.

Bit dramatic Never.

Yes but your only reason for that is that it is "inconsiderate". But consideration works both ways. Expectations of waiting until 9 am to those who have been awake and itching to get out since 7 is not "considerate" and they have the law (so far as I can see) on their side.

"Dramatic"? Really? OK.

As an early riser, Never I'm inclined to agree with you. Laying in bed is a waste of a morning as far as I'm concerned.

Take them to a park or for a walk if the itching to get out is so bad. Isn't it rather 'lazy' to just shove the kids in the garden and leave them to scream as loud as they like?

I don't think waiting until 9am to make excessive noise is inconsiderate tbh.

I love my neighbours. None of us have noisy parties, barky dogs, over zealous power tool habits or let our kids make noise too late or too early. Occasionally someone will have a party or let off fireworks but we let each other know and are considerate. The kids next door are 'noisy' when they play but it doesn't bother me in the slightest - it's kids playing, it's nice. ( I'm glad they are not screechy kids though. )

It nice to be neighbourly and to try and be considerate.

Neverknowingly - Someone sleeping quietly in their own house, or just enjoying a quiet time reading the papers, is doing nothing to interfere with the rights of others. Allowing your children to make a noise (or mowing the lawn, or doing home improvements) early on a Sunday morning is preventing other people having the opportunity to have a peaceful few hours on a weekend morning.

Children have the rest of the day - after 9 o'clock seems to be the consensus - to play in the garden and no reasonable neighbour would object to the noise then (even if it did bother them). Long-lies, by definition, can only occur first thing in the morning - and by "long-lies", we are only talking about not liking to be woken at 7.45! Hardly Shangri La!

My post was in reply to a pp who said that "long lies are not a right". My point was that children's (and their parents's) rights do not automatically trump other people's.

Consideration is about realising your wants do not overrule others when you live in a community and the proposed actions will have a negative impact on others. Outdoor noise at early/late hours usually falls into this category.

If you have such a great desire to go outside and make a noise at 7am, then do so by all means - as long as you do this in a place where you won't disturb others. Such as the beach, for example. But not in the street or in your garden if you live within earshot of others. To do otherwise is not only inconsiderate, it's also really rude and self-centred.

There are many things that are not against the law, but are against the general spirit of living in a community, such as waiting your turn rather than just pushing in ahead of others and being polite to people.

We'll have to disagree. Reading the paper and expectng other people NOT to do something is by definition interfering with their "rights" in the same way that making noise (after 7 am) is interfering with rights to quiet and lies-in.

It's interesting that the sanctimony comes from those wanting to laze about though.

I'm on the fence.

Our neighbours are lovely but their 5 children are so loud; shrieking is a common sound when all 5 are out. The dulcet tones of children playing would not bother me but the shrieking at 7.45 am might make me grouch. Fortunately our neighbours are very considerate and don't let theirs out that early and in return, we don't throw late events and disturb their kiddies at bedtime.

Consideration isn't about resorting to what's legal and what's not though is it?

It's perfectly legal for me to play the trumpet with all my windows open from 7am to 11pm every single day. Just because I've got the law on my side doesn't make it less of a nuisance to my neighbours.

I was awake at 5:55am this morning. I have not had a lie in however I have respected others by not making excessive noise or allowing my children to scream in the garden.

Just to add another factor my DH got in from his 12 hour night shift at 7:15am. He has gone to bed and won't wake until this afternoon. Now he doesn't expect total silence during this time but he does expect a bit of peace to allow him to drop off to sleep at 7:30am. Kids screaming in the garden or mowers at this time would make it harder and near on impossible to nod off.

It's about conforming to societal norms Never. Sunday is generally regarded as a rest day when the vast majority of people don't have to be up early for work, school runs etc. So it is inconsiderate to just refuse to go along with that when you know that most of your neighbours would really appreciate being able to sleep on for an extra hour or two after a busy week.
No one on here is talking about teenagers expecting the whole road to stay quiet until lunchtime so they can sleep off their hangovers.

I think around 8 is fine. 7.45 am would be the earliest time though.