to aak UKIP supporters if you would have voted for the Nazis too?

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The brilliant Michael Rosen on UKIP.

l“I sometimes fear that people might think that fascism arrives in fancy dress worn by grotesques and monsters as played out in endless re-runs of the Nazis. Fascism arrives as your friend. It will restore your honour, make you feel proud, protect your house, give you a job, clean up the neighbourhood, remind you of how great you once were, clear out the venal and the corrupt, remove anything you feel is unlike you…It doesn’t walk in saying, “Our programme means militias, mass imprisonments, transportations, war and persecution.”

AgaPanthers: all the human rights cases I referred to upthread relied on the ECHR, which we are bound to follow under the HRA and, yes, also because we are signed up to Convention; however, the HRA provides a much simpler track for this. In your determination to suggest that each of those cases had nothing to do with the HRA, I am afraid you have ignored large elements of the history where there was substantial reliance on the HRA to achieve the ultimate outcome. Moreover, as I suspect you well know, those are only a few out of thousands of civil cases which have gone through the courts since the HRA came into force which would have been substantially weakened, or indeed would never have got off the ground without it.

No they do not.

That's crap Icimoi, most of our MEPs will NOT be from UKIP. We have 69 MEPs. UKIP might get 25 of those.

Oh, wonderful, that's everything sorted then. The other MPs can do all the work for them whilst the UKIP MEPs continue to take money that we provide in return for doing the absolute minimum in the EU Parliament and failing to ensure that the UK's voice is properly heard in the EU.

I mean, isn't it basic pop psychology? People love thinking they're not being listened to and they should be

And that, LRD, in one patronising, sanctimonious post, sums up exactly why UKIP is doing so well.

WTF?

You're calling me patronizing and sanctimonious for suggesting UKIP might possibly be cynically manipulating people? You don't think that it's worth considering UKIP might be patronizing people?

You know when UKIP say things like they want disabled children not to attend mainstream schools, maybe you could understand why so many on here are upset by UKIP.

UKIP's has so many horrendous policies. And those who support UKIP don't seem to care - because...immigration.

Oh, no, wait, I forgot, it was definitely me who thinks women pregnant with babies with Downs' shouldn't be given the choice to make their own decision. And me who decided to lay down the law about how women encourage rapists cos, bless them, they're just too slutty to take responsibility for the signals they send out.

Definitely me being patronizing and sanctimonious, not UKIP.

Right, it's been fun, but I'm off out to celebrate DH getting his citizenship (no, really). We'll try not to destroy two millenia of Christian British values while we're out.

We have the largest number of people born outside the UK ever.

The classic scaremongering of the right wing press with those stats irritates me. It totally ignores the fact that we have a colonial past which means that there are an awful lot of UK citizens born outside the UK because at the relevant time their parents were working abroad in numerous capacities; to say nothing of the children of diplomatic and services personnel, refugees from various conflicts going right back to the 1930s, people like the Gurkhas for whom we have accepted responsibility, and people whose parents were careless enough to be on holiday when they were born. Yet the figures are always presented with no differentiation whatsoever.

I write as a dreadful immigrant myself, on the basis of that criterion. A WASP immigrant, but an immigrant nevertheless. So no doubt UKIP will put me right at the end of the queue for benefits, medicine, housing etc despite my having British parents and having worked and paid tax faithfully since before the dinosaurs.

That Star Etheridge's website is not what I would call accessible.
Didn't they give her a decent budget?

Getting rid of the human right act is like cutting your nose to spite your face. The human right act protects us all, every one. So what if a handful of crazies cause problems? I'd rather that than lose MY human rights! Some people really are thick!

"The classic scaremongering of the right wing press with those stats irritates me. It totally ignores the fact that we have a colonial past which means that there are an awful lot of UK citizens born outside the UK because at the relevant time their parents were working abroad in numerous capacities; to say nothing of the children of diplomatic and services personnel, refugees from various conflicts going right back to the 1930s, people like the Gurkhas for whom we have accepted responsibility, and people whose parents were careless enough to be on holiday when they were born. Yet the figures are always presented with no differentiation whatsoever."

That's not true at all.

Different figures are presented (not simply overseas born) and they all point to the same conclusion. Why do you pretend that this is actually the result of ten million Gurkhas or some such laughably ridiculous propaganda?

Populations of people of Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian backgrounds have doubled in a relatively short period of time. Eastern European populations have increase manifold.

And you are talking about Gurkhas and people on holiday while pregnant?

Do you really suppose this sophistry convinces anyone?

Ukip also want to do away with statutory holiday leave, holiday pay, statutory maternity leave and pay, sick leave and pay, not to mention taking away the right to take your employer to court for unfair treatment.

Missymarmite, our Parliament ratified the European Convention on Human Rights in 1951.

Repealing the Human Rights Act (passed in 1997 by Labour) doesn't mean we have no human rights (if we can even agree what human rights are).

Do UKIP supporters think gay peopel shouldnt be allowed to marry?

I would be very very wary of UKIP. It is true that there has been massive immigration and there is a shortage of housing and jobs, they are tapping into that just like Hitler tapped into the German psyche re the Jews.
If they got into power it would be shit - I heard some bollocks that only those with parents and grandparents in one area could apply for council housing - well that would discount about 80 per cent of us for a start.
Also his wife is German....alarm bells!!
As for that stuff about downs babies and disabled people it is just scary.

I would imagine UKIP supporters have their own opinions on the matter.

I don't suppose any party's supporters have a homogenous set of views.

The Downs babies candidate was kicked out.

yes they are doing their best to present themselves as a normal mainstream party

Also his wife is German....alarm bells!!

I hope that wasn't meant seriously?

To have been a 'Nazi', ie, aged 18 or older in 1945 you would now be 89 years old. What proportion of the total population of Germany do you imagine 89-year-olds plus represent?

And you think that UKIP have problems with xenophobia?

you think they did not breed?
what do you think happened to Magda Goebbels and the other children?

OK yes let us all be lovely and 'right on' and pretend that did not happen/is not happening.

LRD - no, not for suggesting UKIP might possibly be cynically manipulating people, but because you suggested that people love thinking they're not being listened to and they should be. Well - yes, that's exactly what voters like to think - I mean, the very nerve of them . To call that 'pop psychology' is demeaning and insulting.

Wtaf Nigella?

Your posts are racist and objectionable.