To be upset that there are 3 Ukip posters up in houses down my road :(

[LEMmingaround]

It is a pretty working class street, some council, some privately owned houses. Not sure if that is relevant but WHY the fuck would you advertise the fact that you are a fuckwit? All of the people with the notices up are older people - older than me, which is 43 (im not older!!!! - ok, maybe a bit).

Its pretty worrying really that what i would normally see as very respectable folk have been sucked in by this bullshit?

This is a conservative ward, and although dissilussioned with the previous gov i have always voted labour - i am going to have to vote bloody tory in a half beat effort to keep Ukip out of the area :(

My DD lives in a town with a ukip counsellor - its fucking dire and getting worse :(

we live in a democracy which means that people can put up what posters they like. And vote for who they like.

Yep, and other people can be upset by that, or think they are idiots, and even voice that opinion. All part of the joys of democracy. Trying to paint those who disagree with UKIP policies as would-be totalitarians won't wash.

well actually under this government .he gets no education paid for. he is home schooled .because I refused to send him residential .I bet they were glad money saved .

I would feel very uncomfortable if one of my neighbours out up a UKIP sign - as the child of immigrants myself it would make me feel I wasn't welcome in the neighbourhood.

It's completely irrelevant whether they could afford to immediately secregate people with disabilities - it doesn't change the fact that they want to.

fwiw, this is what I think could happen.
Yes, loads of people vote UKIP in two weeks time.

The other parties will sit up and take notice.
Which is the point for a lot of people.

Then...
Who knows?
But the current main parties will be very much forced to look at their own agendas as they are not likely to want a repeat in 1 year's time.
Which is the result that at least some of the potential UKIP voters want.

Others will have least blown off a bit of steam about the whole subject. Which should have been allowed to have been done, in a lot safer way than now, about 3 or 4 years ago.

But by far the main policies that people are voting UKIP for is to get out of the EU and to end mass immigration.

Icimoi

Do you consider the fight that was for the green vote an appeasement?
Or did the main parties listen and adapt what was wanted?

If the main parties continue along the road that we are on we will end up with a government voted in by a minority of people with the rest voting for parties with bizarre agendas.

Frankly we are very close to being there.

"Not everyone is obsessed with 'mass' immigration or the EU.

I couldn't give a toss about either of them"
But many people do care and the so-called "main" parties aren't listening to peoples concerns, in fact those concerns were dismissed as racism or bigotry for many years. Hence the rise of UKIP.

How can anyone justify all 3 major parties closing ranks with each other on an issue like this? What do you think they are doing it for? For the people they represent, or for themselves and the interests of their financial backers?

MrsDeVere

So because you don't care, those that do should be ignored (and considered racist)?

I remember you saying you lived in the same town as me Lem and there are two down my road to. Private estate, naiceish. :/

MrsDeVere

You have inferred several times that those voting for UKIP are racist, you have also inferred that because you don't care about mass immigration and the EU its just not that important.

Or have I misunderstood your posts?

Its all bandwagon jumping and spin doctoring.

Quite the opposite. It is the result of people having been muzzled for a longer time than was safe.

They are racist.
Did you join just to defend them kins?

those who do not enjoy democracies have options to move to places such as Saudi Arabia, North Korea, China and so on. But I don't think you'll like it.

if this is too complex, let me know.
A logical fallacy is hardly a complexity, dear.

I nc today dawndonna. Am a regular. I will pm you my previous name. Also, I said on another thread that I was going to nc.

we live in a democracy which means that people can put up what posters they like. And vote for who they like

and can post on internet websites that they oppose the questionable policies and morals of the organisation behind the poster, no?

I dont blame you for being suspicious btw. Very wise imo.

Thank you Kins

All I ask is that EVERYBODY goes to the polling stations and registers their opinion
even if it is
"NONE OF THE ABOVE"
because if you do not vote, the politicos assume you agree with them
tell them that you do not - by actively rejecting all of them

think of the results

"in first place, spoilt ballots of people who are angry but not apathetic"
"in second place, the least hated party"
etc