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To be sad and appalled that a healthy diet is now beyond the reach of many.

489 replies

Darkesteyes · 01/05/2014 21:51

Absolutely appalling. And it will have an effect on the NHS. Poorer people are bashed for being poor.. and bashed for being overweight. Why do I have a feeling its only going to get worse. Sad Angry

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-27225323

OP posts:
Fishstix · 02/05/2014 11:14

Yes, that makes sense Worra.

YouAreMyFavouriteWasteOfTime · 02/05/2014 11:22

also global obesity is related to increasing standards of living not increasing poverty.

iwantsun · 02/05/2014 11:38

I can get why someone would choose a flavoursome packet of biscuits that will give me a treat all week rather than a one off healthier option that doesn't really fill me up

cheap highly processed carbs are not filling

CorusKate · 02/05/2014 11:58

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FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 02/05/2014 11:58

It does seem a weird paradox though that it is so often poorer people who are obese.

Not enough money to buy food, yet eating too much of whatever it is they eat?

I can understand wanting to eat a donut rather than that f*cking banana that gets mentioned everywhere (kill me now). But I guess people don't eat 1 donut, do they? You don't get fat from substituting a banana for a donut every now and then...

gotnotimeforthat · 02/05/2014 11:59

worra i agree, i thought i heard somewhere that you should portion your potatoes to the size of your fist. I'm not sure if that is correct though?

you can eat crap food and not be overweight. You just need to exercise a little and lower your portions.

But i do agree with OP the prices for healthier foods are disgusting.

Drinks for example. you can buy three 2ltr bottles of fizzy pop for £1 yet a single litre of anything fruity or even remotely healthy will be at least £1 each if not £2.

when i was pregnant i completely changed my diet and for the first time in my life i had my 5 or sometimes 6 fruit and veggies a day. My weekly food bill was so much more expensive than it ever had been pre pregnancy. My partner treated me to a plater of delicious fruits. mango,melon, strawberrys,blueberries, rasberries, kiwi, cherry, apple, pinapple to name a few. It cost more than a chinease take away for two would.

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 02/05/2014 12:00

Corus, that is a good point.

WorraLiberty · 02/05/2014 12:05

cheap highly processed carbs are not filling

That would depend on the size of your appetite surely?

iwantsun · 02/05/2014 12:09

That would depend on the size of your appetite surely?

nope, not good for blood sugar either

iwantsun · 02/05/2014 12:10

It cost more than a chinease take away for two would

depends where you buy them from

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 02/05/2014 12:12

It is partly a cultural thing, and what is considered 'delicious" in the UK.

I have lived in the middle East and Mexico, and people eat much better food. Lots of street food, cheap and proper food. In Mexico you can notice an absence of McDonalds and the like, apart from tourist areas, as the Mexicans of all classes would much rather eat some pulled pork/veg tacos for a fraction of the price. In the Middle East lots of food is plain and simple, containing lentils or bulgur or rice, but always also lots of fresh herbs and tomatoes and most of t is tasty nourishing food.

Why do Brits crave crappy food? what is the obsession with crisps? And takeaways that are neither cheap, nor particularly nice?

There is such food poverty here, I am not sure why. Lack of pride? lack of ingredients? lack of culinary tradition?

People only ever suggest lentil-bolognese (or similar) or that eternal banana, when the world over people cook a variety of delicious meals with very simple ingredients.

I think part of it is a cultural problem. People don't know how to cook nice food from cheap ingredients, and neither do they want to learn.(?)

I am sure that people in Britain from Asian descent cook better "cheap meals" (i.e. with cheap ingredients) for example. Also, in neighbourhoods with more people from the Middle East or Asia, shops pop up offering cheap but good tomatoes, rice, aubergines and herbs.

After all, Supermarkets only sell what the British public want (multi packets of crisps, cheap bakery goods, processed junk).

That's why I don't think it will change.

WorraLiberty · 02/05/2014 12:13

I disagree but I agree it's not good for blood sugar.

If you're used to eating normal portion sizes then cheap highly processed carbs should fill you up, if you eat slightly more than normal.

Fishstix · 02/05/2014 12:13

Iwantsun. I've been eating those biscuits all week, in my greed research I can confirm that if you eat 5 or more they are quite filling. :o

iwantsun · 02/05/2014 12:14

they may fill you up temporarily but you will be reaching for more crap a short while later because it doesn't give you long lasting energy

WorraLiberty · 02/05/2014 12:16

Mexico has a higher rate of obesity than America though Confused

WorraLiberty · 02/05/2014 12:18

iwantsun you don't talk for everyone though

I can eat cheap processed carbs for dinner and still not eat again until my usual 'breakfast time', which is around 11am the next day.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 02/05/2014 12:19

Drinks for example. you can buy three 2ltr bottles of fizzy pop for 1 yet a single litre of anything fruity or even remotely healthy will be at least 1 each if not 2.

Water out of the tap is free (OK, I know we have to pay water rates). Fruit juice is not healthy in great quantities. I just don't get the view that it is considered necessary for all drinks to be flavoured, and that drinking tapwater isa miserable punishment that no-one should have to endure.

when i was pregnant i completely changed my diet and for the first time in my life i had my 5 or sometimes 6 fruit and veggies a day. My weekly food bill was so much more expensive than it ever had been pre pregnancy. My partner treated me to a plater of delicious fruits. mango,melon, strawberrys,blueberries, rasberries, kiwi, cherry, apple, pinapple to name a few. It cost more than a chinease take away for two would.

What you describe there must equate to about ten or more portions of fruit, most of which would have been air-freighted out of season fruit.

That really is at the luxury, treat end of the food market, and almost no-one can afford all that fruit, all the time. It is also not comparable to a chinese takeaway as a 'meal'.

That's like saying that it is unacceptable that there are people for whom a Ferrari is unaffordable, and refusing to acknowledge the availability of cheaper options such as other perfectly acceptable cars, or public transport, which, particularly in London and some other major cities is also a viable alternative.

Fishstix · 02/05/2014 12:22

they may fill you up temporarily but you will be reaching for more crap a short while later because it doesn't give you long lasting energy

That's true, but it was my original point when we were talking about the 15p biscuits V a banana and carrot for four kids. Biscuits are 3p cheaper and will (however temporarily) fill the four kids. The small carrot/banana between the four wouldn't. If that's your choice and you have four hungry kids asking you for food you'll choose the former, however I'll advised and bad for you it is.

FiscalCliffRocksThisTown · 02/05/2014 12:22

worra, yes, they are not a skinny people, but they are a very different build from Europeans.

And obesity is NOT a specific problem of the poor there.

WorraLiberty · 02/05/2014 12:23

No, obesity in Mexico appears to be a problem for almost everyone.

Callani · 02/05/2014 12:25

I don't think the price of food is the problem - I think it's that the price of everything else is so high that there isn't enough money left to spend on food.

Fuel bills, longer commutes, rising rental and house prices have all taken chunks out of the household budget squeezing the amount of money left to feed ourselves.

In France food is nearly double the price (with lower average wages) but everything else is cheaper - and rent is subsidised if it's considered too high for your wage. This means people in France can afford to pay more for their food. They also work fewer hours meaning they have time to cook and still value the culture of sitting down to an evening meal (which I think is another part of the problem)

Food prices are realistic - it's everything else which is a rip off.

Callani · 02/05/2014 12:30

Fiscal - I've lived in different countries and have developed a theory that the reason people in Britain like stodgier food is because of the cold and the dark.

Now I've never been overweight, but living in France / South East Asia the extra sunshine and heat made me lose my appetite significantly and I was ALWAYS opting for salads, light noodle broths etc and even found that eating my favourite foods (like olives and cheese in France) I had a reduced appetite and was full quicker. I instinctively wanted something to cool me down rather than warm me up.

Living in Yorkshire now and I'm an utter potato addict for about 75% of the year. It makes a difference.

OnIlkleyMoorBahTwat · 02/05/2014 12:31

God, if I lived in Mexico, I'd be obese too. All that delicious street food

But seriously, I agree with FiscalCliff, that it seems to be a strangely cultural British thing to eat such utter shite food, and that the poor of other countries seem to make so much more of cheap ingredients. Some of the best food of foreign origin is often 'peasant food'.

Thetallesttower · 02/05/2014 12:48

Callani I agree with this- saving on food is one of the only areas you can really cut costs- if I did my old shop at Sainsbury's it would regularly come in at £130 a week, I can get down to £60 or even less using Lidl.

However, I am not deluded into thinking it will go down to £30 a week still eating lots of fruit and veg like some are claiming on here. When I was recently hard up, I cut down on pretty much anything non essential and that included fruit and veg and it was much cheaper- porridge for brekky, pasta for lunch or tea and a toast-based meal (cheese on toast, beans, spaghetti hoops) for tea. 20 p pack of biscuits as a snack for the kids for the whole week. Nutritionally not balanced and likely to produce weight gain if kept up for the long term. Now I am back on trying to include more fruit and veg - and you know what, my food bill is higher again.

People always compare bananas as its the only fruit that actually fills you up if you eat one. If you eat a small tangarine when you get in from school you are probably very hungry by tea time.

One poster above tried to convince me it is cheap and doable even if you work 40/60 hours a week- then detailed visiting three different supermarkets (one twice at 7.30pm in the evening) plus a trip to another store to buy some seeds. Really- you think I should go out four times a week with my children, driving to these stores (as none in walking distance) near their bedtime searching for cheap fruit and veg? I don't think this person can have been on their own, as it is just not feasible or realistic for a person doing sole childcare and working f/t to do that much food shopping a week nor do I think it a productive way to spend family time- a trip to one supermarket is an hour at least!

On these threads- everyone blames the individual families- they are too lazy to shop (see above), lack knowledge of nutritious food blah blah, but the manufacturers which produce poor quality food that deteriorates within a couple of days are very much to blame- the stuff rots, you throw it away, you buy more. From their perspective, what's not to like? I have seen a vast change since my childhood in the quality of food, not just in fruit and veg but in meat that seeps water and tastes odd.We used to buy a sack of potatoes for the whole winter as a child- my potatoes from Lidl have gone green and mushy 10 days later. There's stacks of evidence that what we have now is more food, of a far poorer quality.

There is some individual responsibility to be had- I have it and do go out of my way to feed my children and us fruit and veg. I don't understand why better off people continuously stigmatize those who can't or won't spend time sourcing this stuff or pouring scorn on those who don't live near a supermarket and don't spend all weekend in their pursuit of five a day.

As for other nationalities- we work the longest hours in Europe, this definitely impacts on your ability to nip out at lunchtime and source daily fresh veg. In countries with similar or even fewer hours working patterns- such as France, obesity rates are still pretty high. It is fairly obvious that the days of the housewife with her basket picking out the day's fruit and veg bargains are over for most two-income households.

I still do it, buy lots of fruit and veg when I can- I would feel guilty if I didn't. The lack of insight into why others behave differently though is sometimes staggering.

pigsDOfly · 02/05/2014 13:32

I think a lot of the problem lies in peoples knowledge of what is good for them and the idea that we should be able to have everything we want instantly and we need to eat non stop.

There are plenty of offers on fruit and vegetables. Surely at £1 for a bag of carrots or apples, most people can afford them.

High fat foods might be bad for us but they tend to be tasty and easy.

I grew up in the fifties, the youngest of a large family. My Mother cooked every day. We never had a main meal without green vegetables or salads of some kind and we ate plenty of fruit in season. She bought the cheapest cuts of meat and made tasty nutritious meals. She made stock and made her own soups.

We ate potatoes most day and she made cakes and pies and puddings, which was fine as we were all very active and burnt off the calories. We ate 3 meals a day and we didn't snack in between meals. No one in the family was over weight as children and we all grew into slim healthy adults.

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