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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to feel like I wont be able to forgive my DD?

111 replies

lastnicknamefree · 25/04/2014 16:31

Very long story as short as I can make it, I have teenaged daughters and a toddler son. Im currently single, but my Girls were from my 17 year marriage, I got divorced (fairly amicably) and my subsequent relationship was a 3 year hell on earth with an abusive man.
He left me when I was 8 months pregnant with our son, which although I was devastated at the time as I was by this point at rock bottom with such low self esteem, I believed all he said that I was stupid and not able to cope alone. Fast forward to now, when baby was born SS got involved due to DV and he was allowed to see the baby in a contact center, I was sent on a Freedom programme (for ladies who've been in an abusive relationship) and a self esteem course. He has not seen our son since November and Im just, JUST starting to feel safe again, get on top of my anxiety and believe i/we have escaped this man who did so much damage to my family.
This is the background history, but the problem is this. Since last December my teenaged DD (18) has been gradually getting worse in her behaviour, just the usual teen stuff, skipping college, lying a lot, drinking, piercing, tattoos, throwing parties and trashing my home and a particularly un-desirable BF.
We were not seeing eye to eye as you'd expect, I put a few ground rules in place that she didn't appreciate, but no massive falling out or huge rows. 1 of them (and tbh, there were only 2/3) was that her BF couldn't stay over every night as I have younger children and didn't appreciate hearing them having sex or them coming and going all hours. Reasonable no? I said just 2 nights a week please, any of her choosing, Id say yes but please out of courtesy could she ask and not just rock up unannounced as she had been.
This led to her leaving home. I was upset, didn't want her to go but ok, shes 18, felt she could not live by my house rules so I would try and understand/support. BUT I just found out last night that she went running to the EX, abusive partner which frankly has left me reeling, heartbroken and totally shocked!! She has a Dad of her own to call, Aunty, Grandparents and me all of whom would have helped and/or supported her if shed wanted to leave and go about things in a different way.
I just cannot justify or excuse why she would choose HIM after all he did to me, She old enough to understand fully the consequences of mine and her baby brothers safety here, the hurt and betrayal I would feel and frankly I feel stabbed in the back by my own DD and highly betrayed. I feel violated to find shes been with him the past 6 weeks, Im imagining all sorts - the two of them having cosy chats, discussing all my business, and possibly sharing news and photo's of the child he has not seen or contacted since last year. I don't feel safe. I feel anxious that he now know all my movements and whereabouts. I moved in September from our joint home and as I said was only just starting to feel a bit more comfortable in my own home again.
At this point I cannot think of 1 good excuse for what she's done and no reason whatsoever to justify her even getting in touch with him, let alone asking for his help and moving into the same place alongside him (they are both in a caravan park) She's put me in jeopardy, and her siblings too, and with no good reason as she had all those other people to help her, other than her own selfishness.
Up until last Christmas when all this started we were close, have always had a fairly good relationship and she was witness to all HIS behaviour so knows all he did, so she must surely realise what her cosying up to him would do? I cant think straight, I feel so hurt and betrayed. AIBU?? Would particularly like to hear from any other survivors of DV how would YOU react if your child did this to you behind your back?

OP posts:
gobbynorthernbird · 25/04/2014 17:25

Homicidal, if the post were 'my poor DD has been through an horrific time and is very mixed up' I'd have every sympathy.

ProminentSnoz · 25/04/2014 17:32

To be fair to those posters I know a few people at college who grew up/ at least had a few years of their mother in horrible, violent relationships.

They all had the ( righteous?) anger towards their mum at some point.

Op I'm not going to jump down your throat, I know what it's like to live in and leave a violent relationship.

But it's your job to work with her on this. Her feelings are just as valid as yours. Or at least show love and support until it hopefully blows over.

You can and will forgive her. It's what mums do.

expatinscotland · 25/04/2014 17:33

Poor kid. Her mum put her through hell when she was a vulnerable teen, all for some guy, and now blames her, an 18 year old, for doing something unforgivable. She is probably being groomed and manipulated by this person.

smellysammy · 25/04/2014 17:33

OP. YADNBU. Tbh, i'd never be able to speak to her again after such betrayal.

softlysoftly · 25/04/2014 17:33

*Star I don't think anyone is but it IS fair to point out that the OP is blaming her daughter who was and clearly still is a victim.

posters saying "walk away and keep yourself safe" should be ashamed, her daughter is a victim too and needs help now more than ever not abandonment.

smellysammy · 25/04/2014 17:35

expatinscotland

Nice. I bet she feels great after those comments!!

Topseyt · 25/04/2014 17:35

I can't believe people are being so hard on a victim of domestic violence here!!! The perpetrator of the violence was her ex (him and him alone), and the OP would have felt as trapped as many other victims do.

This thread should possibly be in Relationships, where it might get more of the sympathetic hearing it needs.

softlysoftly · 25/04/2014 17:38

Topsey yet its absolutely fine for some posters and the op to say that the daughter is unforgiveable?

That same daughter who was also a victim? A victim not protected by the adults in her life?

expatinscotland · 25/04/2014 17:38

Nice of you, too, smelly, that you would turn your back on your teenage daughter for life after making her home life hell for years at an age where she was vulnerable an durable to live on her own and take zero responsibility for that. Hmm

gobbynorthernbird · 25/04/2014 17:39

smelly, not anywhere near as shit as her daughter feels, I'd imagine. And you think OP should abandon the DD? What a vile way of thinking.

Softly, I absolutely agree that the DD needs help and support. Not to be thought of as scum.

rabbitrisen · 25/04/2014 17:39

I agree with defineme.

He fooled you for 3 years and you were an adult and had experienced a realtively good life up to that point.

I feel it is a bit rich of you to not forgive her?

When she has not had the benefit of such a good life as you.

[sorry to be harsh, but hopefully you will see where we are coming from]

Isabeller · 25/04/2014 17:40

I have done the Freedom programme and found it really helpful.

Your relationship with your DD has broken down for the moment so if you think it's a good idea contacting SS or anyone who might give her appropriate (and acceptable to her) support do it but don't feel it needs to be you telling her your Ex is bad news.

Alanon talks about detachment with love (or just detachment if need be) and might be a place you would find support. You probably know Alanon is for friends/families of problem drinkers so if there's alcohol anywhere in the situation it might be worth going to a few meetings to see if it is for you.

If you can put yourself first I hope you will, if not for 'selfish' reasons for the sake of the other children you have at home. Good luck Brew

TillyTellTale · 25/04/2014 17:41

Topseyt

The problem is that both the OP and her daughter are victims. Sad Not sure toughness is the best way to help her see that, but I also feel the horror that the more abrasive responses are rooted in.

rabbitrisen · 25/04/2014 17:41

Agree with Dog also.

HelenHen. Why on earth should Dog not say that?

Itsfab · 25/04/2014 17:43

I just knew that the ex would be at the centre of this.

Is it possible they are having a ridiculous affair or is she just an immature madam who is trying to hurt you as you have pissed her off by not giving in to her?

Your ground rules are more than fair.

I would be asking your daughter why she has done this, why she has decided to act in such a way that puts you and her BABY BROTHER at risk as things stand now is that her plan for the future?

Bit of distance might be good. You so you can focus on your young child and yourself and her so she think about how she has treated you and for the ex to mess up.

TillyTellTale · 25/04/2014 17:44

smellysammy I've seen you around...

The 18-year-old wasn't always 18. This abusive man was her step-father figure for three years. She may have witnessed everything that happened, but do you think she was thinking, "my mum's boyfriend is an abusive shithead" through it all? No, she was normalising the behaviour as what happens in relationships.

softlysoftly · 25/04/2014 17:48

Itsfab immature madam? Really? ?

She had to watch this fucker beating her mum for 3 of her former teenage years. There is a high chance she was probably the victim of direct violence too and you think this is a temper tantrum.

I'm Shock at some posters on here honestly. God help your children you selfcentred people.

AMillionNameChangesLater · 25/04/2014 17:48

OP

i grew up, well until i was about 6, with my father beating/belittling my mom. So definitely DV.

i do not blame my mom for taking so long to get out, he really did a number on her. My oldest brother was 10/11 when she kicked him out, so was older and he doesn't blame her either.

I would speak to your dd's dad for help. Of course you will forgive your dd, but until you can fully forgive her, fake it.

gobbynorthernbird · 25/04/2014 17:48

why she has decided to act in such a way that puts you and her BABY BROTHER at risk
Erm, because she has lived through some awful things, perhaps? Because her DM kept her and her sister in a much worse situation? Because she will have no understanding of what is normal and what isn't?

Polkadotscarf · 25/04/2014 17:49

Wow, I'm not sure it's fair to say that the OP is at fault for her violent relationship. Controlling and abusive partners are exactly that, you don't know they are like that when you meet them or move in with them and they slowly take away your self confidence until you can't see any options other than staying with them. I think that saying one person is more or less of a victim than another is unhelpful and doesn't support the OP with her original problem.
I would also be worried about this mans intentions but I think you need to try and forgive your daughter if you can and I know that will be hard.you may need time apart and counselling perhaps but I do hope you can salvage your relationship.

smellysammy · 25/04/2014 17:49

TillyTellTale Fri 25-Apr-14 17:44:28
smellysammy I've seen you around...

Very strange post. A bit scary infact.

rabbitrisen · 25/04/2014 17:50

TTT.
Heck, is that what happens? They end up thinking that that sort of behaviour is normal?

aermingers · 25/04/2014 17:50

Sorry, this man presumably manipulated you to the extent that you were prepared to stay in a 3 year relationship with him, yet when your daughter is manipulated by him this is 'unforgivable'.

I actually think that your daughter has much more to be angry about in that you remained with an abusive violent man for 3 years while she was too young to leave home. She had a lot less say in that situation over whether she could stay or leave.

I don't think you were the only person to go through hell and I think if his behaviour has been to some extent normalized to your daughter then you do bear some responsibility for this by allowing your children to stay in a situation where there was violence for so long.

I see some other posters have said the same and I agree, you really need to be thinking about how you relate to her and what she has been through. I think the way that you are prepared to withdraw yourself from her over one incident is very telling. It must have been difficult for your daughter to grow up in a violent situation where her mother's love was also very much conditional and liable to be withdrawn if she was deemed unsatisfactory.

gobbynorthernbird · 25/04/2014 17:51

rabbit, unfortunately yes.

Tenrec · 25/04/2014 17:52

You are feeling similar to how she probably felt- that she's choosing him over you, putting you at risk and that it's betrayal. As kid living in a house where an abusive relationship is carried out will feel the affects deeply and will feel hurt- often there will be small things which may have passed you by, even small put downs, and she might well have not had much of your attention or suffered in the way of not wanting people to come over, not wanting to do certain things if your ex is around and so on. She probably felt that you were prepared to put your ex over her by staying in the relationship for the three years. You were both victims but she had no power to do anything about the situation, she was trapped and could take in and normalise everything you were all going through.