to consider UKIP racist?

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Tell me, please.

hahah so Brits can still behave in a way you want other Europeans banned from doing classic

hahah so Brits can still behave in a way you want other Europeans banned from doing grin classic

Who said that?

It's up to each and every other country to control its borders.

That's not for me to say is it?

I'm still laughing at your inference that Australia is racist...but do carry on.

Am I the only one wondering why the SNP are not getting the same grief that UKIP is?

They are essentially fighting for the same thing - independence.

but we don't generally accuse countries like Australia of wholesale racism, just because they have a points based system

I wouldn't accuse any country of being racist for implementing a points system, its utterly bonkers to suggest it.

Local Homes for Local Families
UKIP wi??ll prioritise social housing for those with parents and grandparents born locally

So under that policy, someone who was born in the uk, has lived and worked here all their life, but whos parents and grandparents weren't born here, would not, seemingly under any circumstances have any priority to social housing.

Considering the majority of black british and mixed race people have either a parent or a grandparent who was born in the caribbean or africa and that the policy states parents and grandparents, not parents or grandparents and plural not singular, this would mean virtually all black british and mixed race people would go to the back of the queue.

Given the lack of social housing, that would effectively mean that they woul have little to no chance of ever being housed in social housing.

Now you are trying to argue that these policies are about recent/future immigrants, but it clealy isn't only about that, or it would say 'priority given to those born locally' and skip the parents/grandparents bit.

When does someone stop being an immigrant? clearly, being born here doesn't make you british if your parents were born elsewhere.

So, if you are a british born black/mixed race person, get to the back of the queue.

How is that not racist?

I don't disagree with UKIPS immigration policy as it is written.

But I can see past that policy to their past, a vast majority of their supporters, to the behaviours and statements of their representatives and what I see is that they are a party that is inherently racist, sexist and disabalist who preys on the fear vote.

Why are you boiling the argument down to what their immigration policy says like that's the only think that csn/cannot prove their beliefs?

Which political party has ever actually stuck to their face value pre election promises?

did I infer Australia was racist ...must of missed that

are you saying it in 100% racism free then ...

did I infer Australia was racist ...must of missed that

You're as ambiguous as a lot of other posters on this thread.

are you saying it in 100% racism free then ...

That question really doesn't deserve an answer.

AmberLeaf those rules are already in place for social housing in the UK.

Nothing new there.

So Gordy, as your an advocate of the living wage/benefits shouldn't be touched et al, do you not see a problem with allowing unlimited unskilled workers into the uk?

Aren't ukip asking for controlled immigration from also within the eu, which not related to this thread but leaving the eu is there main aim?

That can't already be the social housing rule? So my kids wouldnt get social housing because their paternal grandparents were born abroad? Even though they and their father are born and raised here?

Bullshit.

that's a no then... thanks!

Justanother ...are you stalking me!

I am happy with immigration as it stands

AmberLeaf those rules are already in place for social housing in the UK

Um, no, they aren't!

Justanotherlurker I honestly believe that many of the pointers and shouters are more concerned that their ability to change countries at will would be changed by UKIPs anti Europe mandate.

The concern they are displaying isn't for their bent idea of racism but that of self preservation because the free movement within Europe suits the socially mobile.

People on the bottom rung of the ladder haven't got that amount of aspiration they are more interested in cheaper public transport and an actual long term job they can rely on.

So rather than address the real issue of their pro European slant they scream racist.

If those rules were already in place, why would UKIP have them as a proposed policy in their 2014 manifesto.

I can also assure you, those rules are not currently in place, nor have they been in my living memory.

Um, no, they aren't!

I'm not arguing with you...they are!!

How on earth have all my black/mixed race family and friends been able to access social housing, sometimes with priority, if those rules are already in place?

They are absolutely, 100% not already in place.

You can ignore the facts all you like, that won't make them any less factual.

Amber "So, if you are a british born black/mixed race person, get to the back of the queue.

How is that not racist?"

NO - it does not say that - it says (as you quote)
"UKIP wi??ll prioritise social housing for those with parents and grandparents who were born locally"

It does not mention black or mixed race - it simply says that they must have been born in the UK. It makes no reference to race colour or creed.

If your ethnic group tends to be immigrants then so be it - but it is NOT racist.

How on earth have all my black/mixed race family and friends been able to access social housing, sometimes with priority, if those rules are already in place?

What has colour got to do with it?

The key word here is LOCAL and we are a multicultural country.

Your hyperbole is astounding.

Isn't it normal that if you move to a foreign country you have low priority for practically everything as compared to the locals? I can't understand how this constitutes racist.

a citizen of another country withthe right to stay in the UK with no restrictions onhow long you can stay.

You are eligible to applyfor council housing if you are a British citizen living in the UK permanently and you have not lived abroad recently.

Reference Shelter.

So not true then.

Sorry, I see now it's foreign-born parents/grandparents.

It doesn't need to specify race.

The mere fact that millions of british black people would, under that policy, no longer have the same equal access to social housing makes it a racist policy.

If your ethnic group tends to be immigrants then so be it

But it isn't refering to immigrants, it is refering to the descedants of immigrants.

It is racist. Because it is not decided on their nationality, not because they are immigrants, they are british, they just happen to be black.

UKIP willl prioritise social housing for those with parents and grandparents born locally

that's why its racist, it isn't about those entering the country going straight into social housing. It's about 2nd gen people born and raised here treated as second class citizens because their grandparents dared to be immigrants.

You are eligible to applyfor council housing if you are a British citizen living in the UK permanently and you have not lived abroad recently.

Being illegible doesn't mean you get, it just means you are illegible.

The LOCAL connection when applying for a council property is highly valued.

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