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to consider UKIP racist?

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fidelineish · 23/04/2014 16:13

Tell me, please.

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AmberLeaf · 23/04/2014 23:32

It absolutely doesn't say that at all

It absolutely does say that.

softlysoftly · 23/04/2014 23:33

Good luck Amber but I'd give up if I were you, it's like arguing with a door knocker.

caruthers · 23/04/2014 23:34

Because her children due to having a non uk born grandparent, would be pushed to the back of the social housing queue should they ever require it.

Social housing is in such short supply with so many people exempt from getting it I don't really see your point.

If a child is born in this country there is every chance their parents are UK citizens so obviously they would be LOCAL in that sense wouldn't they?

Or are children normally born where their parents aren't resident?

AmberLeaf · 23/04/2014 23:36

I found you a racist policy. I explained in detail why it is racist.

I provided links to it.

You are quibbling over what a few basic sentences mean, when it is quite clear.

Waffling on about the Tories isn't doing anything for your argument.

This thread is about UKIP, not the tories.

softlysoftly · 23/04/2014 23:37

Erm Caruthers

My children are born here

I was born here

My husband was born here

My husbands father and mother were not.

Therefore according to UKIP written policy my children would not be considered local. Even if they live in the town they are born for the rest of their lives they would never under UKIP be "local"

Is that ok?

AmberLeaf · 23/04/2014 23:37

If a child is born in this country there is every chance their parents are UK citizens so obviously they would be LOCAL in that sense wouldn't they?

UKIP seem to think otherwise.

softlysoftly
As someone said upthread, its like shooting fish in a barrell. Wink

softlysoftly · 23/04/2014 23:39

I'm going to butt out and leave you to your target practise Grin

caruthers · 23/04/2014 23:41

It's not a racist policy.

Quibbling about the semantics you are using is not quibbling it's exposing your bias.

The Tory policies are there for you but you don't care because you have an anti UKIP agenda because you've been 'adjusted'.

The reason why UKIP is gaining strength is because of this waste of words and nitpicking.....hopefully when the dust settles UKIP can bed in and do what's best for the UK.

caruthers · 23/04/2014 23:42

The chattering classes are upset.

I'll light a candle.

LineRunner · 23/04/2014 23:44

Is quibbling not chattering?

AmberLeaf · 23/04/2014 23:45

I don't much care for the tories either funnily enough, but this isn't about them.

It is clear that most UKIP supporters don't actually have the first clue about what UKIPs policies mean.

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fidelineish · 23/04/2014 23:45

Caruthers the concept of 'local connection' in current hosuing policy does not involve having locally born parents and grandparents. It just doesn't. Amber has run through the whole thing for you more than once.

In fact such a policy would fall foul of anti-discrimination law, so to introduce it, UKIP (were they ever in gov't -pfft) would have to leave the EU and deratify a whole selection of Laws before instituting it.

So an entirely pie-in-the-sky policy, all in all. And racist.

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softlysoftly · 23/04/2014 23:48

So no answer then, I'm shocked and astounded.

Oh and I'm an aristocrat actually Caruthers vair rich bloodlines, not at all the chattering class, albeit with halfbreed children.

But don't let that stop up your paranoia and assumptions will you.

AmberLeaf · 23/04/2014 23:49

'chattering classes'

Thats like saying we are all guardian reading, latte sipping, middle class yummy mummies from north london isn't it? as is often thrown around in such conversations.

Both are inaccurate, but Im certainly not offended by either.

caruthers · 23/04/2014 23:57

I have given an answer.

You've found one part of an entire manifesto that you see demons in and many others don't.

That being said it took you hours to come up with even that because before that you were wailing in the dark because you were just mouthing the liberal mantra of UKIP bad/racist/evil etc...

The desperate measure of using children as leverage didn't go unnoticed.

In short you are the reason UKIP are flourishing and it's because of you the countries political landscape will change.

And i thank you for that..I really do.

kippersmum · 24/04/2014 00:01

I left the UK 6 years ago, I normally miss it but after wading through this thread I certainly don't. I am amazed that UKIP are getting a look in, how did the tories, lib dems and labour fuck up that badly :(

caruthers · 24/04/2014 00:02

Caruthers the concept of 'local connection' in current hosuing policy does not involve having locally born parents and grandparents. It just doesn't. Amber has run through the whole thing for you more than once.

Just because somebody runs you through something doesn't mean it's right.

I would suggest she stumbled through but that's a matter of opinion based on which side of the fence you're on.

It's entirely obvious what UKIP mean when you take the hand wringing slant off it.

Immigration will be limited and the Tories have already begun to employ some of UKIPs policies so Mr Farage up to now has done a sterling job and he will continue to do so.

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fidelineish · 24/04/2014 00:03

The desperate measure of using children as leverage didn't go unnoticed.

Eh? She was factually describing the effect of the policy.

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AmberLeaf · 24/04/2014 00:03

You've found one part of an entire manifesto that you see demons in and many others don't

That being said it took you hours to come up with even that because before that you were wailing in the dark because you were just mouthing the liberal mantra of UKIP bad/racist/evil etc

Actually it was me that came up with that point from the manifesto and it really didn't take long, the document was only 6 pages long, with lots of large print and photos, so didn't take more than a couple of minutes to spot something.

I knew it would be easy to find something, it always is.

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fidelineish · 24/04/2014 00:04

And as far as one policy - the manifesto is littered with examples of the prefernce 'local people' will be given. Even in planning decisions, for goodness' sake!

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caruthers · 24/04/2014 00:04

Eh? She was factually describing the effect of the policy

No she wasn't, she herself said she didn't mention the nationality or ethnic status of her children so it was ambiguous.

What she did was emotive and quite frankly it didn't work.

softlysoftly · 24/04/2014 00:05

Went unnoticed enough for you to not answer the question Grin

"Find me a policy"

Stamp stamp

"Ok but you know that's just one policy and I'm not going to read it"

Scrunches eyes shut

"Anyway we are going to win coz of you hahaha"

At least I just used children as an example I didn't actually channel them.....

caruthers · 24/04/2014 00:06

Actually it was me that came up with that point from the manifesto and it really didn't take long

you had been on the tread for ages but I agree it didn't take you long to misinterpret it.

I congratulate you on that much at least.

AmberLeaf · 24/04/2014 00:06

caruthers, when I first quoted that housing policy, you insisted it was already in place.

I explained that it wasn't.

It is you who appears to be stumbling.

caruthers · 24/04/2014 00:07

At least I just used children as an example I didn't actually channel them.....

You were just about to get nasty weren't you?

Now that's typical when your sob stories don't work.