To want autonomy over my body.

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Aibu here. I am 50 but apparently still fertile.

I have 4 children already and do not want any more.

According to some posters if I fell pregnant but hadn't used at least 2 methods of contraception I should be denied the abortion I would most definatly want.

I would have to go before a panel of judges in a court to plead my case. They would judge whether I should have an abortion or not.

Of course if there was a back log of cases then I would have to wait and if it reached 24 weeks it would be too late anyway.

I would be forced to give birth.

Aibu to be absolutely stunned at this posters view in Britain 2014?

Basically i don't just people who have abortions

i just don't agree with people who just see it as an EASY option when in my head taking the pill or putting on a condom or my parter pulling out is a much easier i imagine safer and kinder thing to do.

anyway being currently pregnant myself i'm getting rather sleepy! goodnight everyone happy debating! :)

Partner pulling out often ends in an unwanted pregnancy though so wouldn't change much.

Oh no, shouldn't be easy, you should suffer first

While the cord's attached, the foetus is dependent on the mother. For interesting thoughts on viability and other related issues, have a look at the case of Jennifer Darlene Johnson. Read the comments for more insight.

She was found guilty and went to prison. I have no further news of her.

Garlic that is shockinga

Garlic that is shocking!

Thats awful

Gosh isn't it the shocking case that there are pages of women supporting each other through dreadful circumstances sbortion/miscarriage on this thread.

All of these women are supportive of women's choice to autonomy over their bodies.

Unfortunately we also have nasty goady posts from who knows.

It's fine to hold views. We all do.

However legislate for your bodies and not for others.

Yeesh, some people are deliberately obtuse. Blood tests are for when you have been on medication or contraception that compromises the reliability of pee sticks. Pee sticks could be subsidized or provided free - just as condoms, the Pill etc is in NZ.

It really is not that hard or ridiculous to test yourself for suspected pregnancy on a regular basis and make up your mind about your options within the first trimester. I suspect if terminations were on-demand only up til a certain point then women would step up to the plate in being responsible for themselves and their choices.

And you can belittle me all you want, but aborting at term is no different to infanticide. Just because you think this would be a rarity doesn't make it right to put in law. And quite frankly I think prosecuting those women who abandon their newborns to die would be the height of hypocrisy if that was the case.

After my termination i asked to be steralised and they refused twice due to various resons, i was too young, had 3 dd's and apparently might want a boy, my kids could get wiped out in a car crash and i would want more and i was at the time of the termination seperated from my kids dad, i might meet someone else and they will want children. I am not the only person i know who has been refused sterilisation either. I was 32 at the time had had 3 miscarriages, 3 dd's and a termination.

zeebaneighba, my 2nd DD i fell pg whilst using the depo injection and in the middle of the cycle, there was no reason i would think to check for pregnancy, i only realised i was pregnant as i had bad morning sickness like i had had with the first and instantly knew i was pregnant. My mother has 4 kids, the forth was conceived whilst she has a coil fitted, it was delivered with my brother scraping a gash down his face. When i asked for a termination the doctor told me the baby was a gift from god and had chosen me as its mother, i then had to change doctors surgeries and get another appointment so that in all added 2 weeks to the pregnancy. With the PG i terminated we were using condoms, i knew instantly i was pg as i got morning sickness almost straight away I had a termination at 5 weeks and 6 days from conception, it could have been done sooner if not for the above. Now imagine what the first doctor had said had an effect on me, i may have gone away for a few weeks and mulled it over, i might than have decided i was still not going to go ahead with the pg but what should i do, do all doctors say things like this, where should i go for help etc. What if i was 16, what if i had been raped, he had no idea i hadn't been, he didn't bother asking. As soon as he came out with that sentance i was gone away to find another doctor but im sure other people going through a terrible time, through DV or maybe not in the frame of mind to be able to get help, maybe feeling guilty after hearing what he had said may not go and seek help for weeks.

I am truly sorry for your experience Corey. However surely this is down to improving Dr care rather than extending abortion to term?

For eg, a Dr is not allowed yo advise against vaccination based on personal beliefs, or against organ donation/blood transfusions etc. Why would this be different? In your case a complaint surely could be upheld against the Dr, with all young girls informed of their rights at school along with other sex ed material.

And yes pregnancies happen on contraception, this is why if you don't have reliable periods regular testing should surely be a way of life if an unexpected pregnancy would not be welcome.

Who is going to pay for all this testing?

Who would enforce it?

Would there be penalties?

Keep calm dear and keep testing!

I think some posters have been on the wine!

personally, I would feel extremely uncomfortable with the idea of a late abortion unless it was for medical/mental health reasons.

However, I would support it being legal as the consequences of the alternative could be far, far worse.

Seriously? They don't cost that much, if they can swing for condoms to be free (which retail for more than most pg tests), I'm sure it's not a big deal to do the same here. But silly me, that's what I thought socialized healthcare was for ... Must've had too much wine

However surely this is down to improving Dr care rather than extending abortion to term?

You'd think so, wouldn't you, but no. A doctor can preach their brand of religion at you and doesn't have to refer you on if it goes against their religious views. No matter that this has lead to women not getting the care they need and not being able to access abortion services until later on in their pregnancy. So, even doctors can impose their morals on women, with no repercussions, because they won't have to bring up an unwanted child either.

Zee come on seriously you can't possibly be advocating every fertile woman/girl should pee on a stick every month?

You generally get a period every month for free.

How is doing that going to make any difference to demands for terminations.

Women will always need access and should have access to safe free abortions at anytime in any pregnancy.

That's the only sensible option.

But Capt that shouldn't be the case. That's what needs changing. No reason why it can't be changed either. In NZ as far as I'm aware a Dr doesn't have to advise you on abortion but by law has to refer you on to someone who will. Why can that not be the norm to aim for?

Capt agree and with the upsurge of doctors practising here from overseas and some of dogmatic religious backgrounds I am concerned that women will be fobbed off and denied access.

For me if a doctor feels he/she cannot advise on abortion and needs to refer on he/she should be disciplined.

They are paid to do a job not preach.

You haven't been reading, have you, body? If you have reliable periods by all means only test when you miss one. BUT if you are sexually active and have hormonal contraception or health issues which make periods unreliable then you test every one to two months.

It's not hard or unreasonable, and the aim would be to have late-term abortions reserved for medical cases. Why? Because to-term abortions are reprehensible to most and illogical if you also oppose infanticide.

Garlic, I am reading more and more articles indicating that some countries in the world (eg the US) are politicising childbirth to such a degree that they are sometimes coming up on the most spurious grounds for accusing women of murdering babies in the womb, or harming them. The standard of evidence in many of these cases seems about as valid and relevant as dunking women to see if they are witches. It beggars belief. In a case like the US, where millions of women each year are unable to afford antenatal care, their infant mortality rate is nothing much to write home about thanks to lack of medical care for large tranches of the population. They need to get their house in order and stop accusing wornen of birthing 'crimes' as a means of individuals promoting themselves politically.

Because zeebaneighba you can't impose a set of morals on a person and force them to work within those unless of course it means imposing pro-life morals on a desperate woman. Maybe it shouldn't be the case, but even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean that everyone is going to be able either physically or psychologically come to terms with their unwanted pregnancy within an arbitrarily imposed time frame. Would you really condemn a 15 year old who has had sex once, became pregnant, used some magical thinking, self harmed etc to having a child she doesn't want and is unable to care for, purely because she left it until after 12 weeks to seek help?

But I'm out, quite frankly it boggles my mind that anyone would say late-term abortion is preferable to peeing on a stick 12 times a year.

zee sorry but yes I have been reading your posts and you are entitled to you point if view. Please feel free never to have a termination.

Personally I want and I want my dds to grow up in a world that sees women as totally capable of making their own decisions about their fertility/child rearing/pregnancy without reference to you. A court or anyone else at all.

A woman should have autonomy over her body at all times pregnant or not.

Anything less leads, to the quite frankly,terrifying erosion of
Women's rights we see in Places like Ireland and the US.

Ad nauseum it's been stated that clearly very few women would late abort for trivial reasons. Most know clearly and early whether they want the baby or not but the choice and the autonomy must be there.

Until we have that womem will always be second class citizens.