To want autonomy over my body.

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Aibu here. I am 50 but apparently still fertile.

I have 4 children already and do not want any more.

According to some posters if I fell pregnant but hadn't used at least 2 methods of contraception I should be denied the abortion I would most definatly want.

I would have to go before a panel of judges in a court to plead my case. They would judge whether I should have an abortion or not.

Of course if there was a back log of cases then I would have to wait and if it reached 24 weeks it would be too late anyway.

I would be forced to give birth.

Aibu to be absolutely stunned at this posters view in Britain 2014?

I often think people get confused by the term 'social' in this case it doesn't mean 'so you can go out socialising'

I don't think anyone with half a brain misunderstood what social meant in this context.

baby, thats just awful

the legal reasons for abortion are:

continuing with the pregnancy would involve a greater risk to the woman's life than ending the pregnancy

continuing with the pregnancy would involve a greater risk of injury to the woman's physical or mental health than ending the pregnancy

continuing with the pregnancy would involve a greater risk to the physical or mental health of any of the woman's existing children

there is a significant risk that if the child is born s/he would have a serious physical or mental disability.

that is it

oh Baby xxxxxxxxxx I;m sorry

Moomins sorry I was responding to Kendodd asking if it was OK to abort once labour is started.

Baby thoughts are with you

baby thoughts,

Just caught up with this one.

Just wanted to add my YANBU but I think that the poster's view will become more prevalent, sadly and I think it is because of that woman the daily fail is presently abusing. It seems to be polarising views on abortion to an alarming degree.

To be clear. I am pro-woman. I believe that women are human beings who have the right to constant bodily autonomy, I believe that women should be able to choose to terminate a pregnancy in her own uterus up til birth.

Baby sending all good wishes for tomorrow. I can't even imagine what you're going through, so can only offer a hand to hold.

Baby.

Capt as ever great post.

Love pro woman capt. That's a great way of explaining it.

Baby Your situation is horrible and whilst I know you have to deal with it, I am absolutely in awe of your calm and measured contribution to this debate given your circumstance

buggers me too.

Baby - just adding to the chorus of us in awe of you on these threads.

A lot of people have said they pro life for themselves and pro choice for other women. That is being pro choice! It's exactly that, a choice, and just because you choose not to have an abortion yourself in the circumstances you have fallen pregnant doesn't make it pro life.

captchaos what woman being demised by the Mail?

Is that the one who has been posing for pics holding her 18 week bump and saying she is now going for a termination so she can take part in big brother?

I think the pro life argument makes little sense, apart from the staunch pro lifers 'no abortions for anyone ever' which though I disagree with them I do at least respect. The arguments of the others are much more about controlling women, and punishing them for sexual behaviour. If abortion is murder then why is it fine for rape victims, underage girls, cases where the mother's life is in danger? Oh yes, because those women didn't choose to have sex and therefore haven't brought it on themselves. If a fetus's life is as valuable as the mother's then how is ok to kill a fetus conceived of rape. It's about controlling women's behaviour, dressed up as caring about babies.
I am absolutely pro choice, until term. Anything else involves a lot of conflicting opinions and doublethink.

Sorry too many reallys, but amazed (apart from on a theoretical level) how anyone could justify aborting a fetus past 24 weeks (unless the fetus has a serious life limiting illness)

The reason I might want to lower that is just because 22 weeks is in a tiny number of cases viable and viability is my line

Still confused (continuing from previous thread) about why this subjective threshold, one that depends entirely on environment and has fuck all to do with anything that could be considered an important property of either the fetus or the mother on which a reasonable discussion of rights can be based, is trotted out with such regularity.

There is no logical connect between the observation that 'babies born at 24 weeks can, in theory, survive" and the moral position "therefore we must not allow abortion after 24 weeks". It is an is/ought fallacy.

I will ask (again): Was a baby's right to life less valuable in 1955 (where viability at 24 weeks was negligible)? Does a Malawian baby have less intrinsic value than a UK baby (where viability in Malawi at 24 weeks is negligible)?

Do we really base our discussions on how valuable a life is, or how sacrosanct bodily autonomy should be, based on how good science is?

To add (again for lack of answers on other thread):
What is 'viability' anyway? One heartbeat, a hundred heartbeats, a life time of heartbeats? Is one breath enough?

And what of the cases where fetal 'viability' is a meaningless concept?

Thinking of you today baby

I firmly believe in abortion to term.

Anything else is not full autonomy for women.

I say this as someone unlikely to choose to abort, except for medical reasons.

But that would be my choice that is right for me. I would not be inflicting my POV onto anyone else, they are free to make the choice that is right for them.

I think, though, that in practice you would get very few abortions so late, because most women would have made their choices much earlier.

And many of those pro-lifers in America are hypocrites. They stand and shout outside abortion clinics, but when you ask them (as I did once) to put their money where their mouths are and actually provide real financial support to a woman who was choosing abortion, you could see the dust flying as they backed off sharpish. All they care about is inflicting their own views onto other people.

And in this country, if we limited abortion in line with what the pro-lifers want, where are we going to find the cost of raising the children that would otherwise not be here? I'm not sure of the average cost of raising a child, but believe it's in the region of £200,000 plus to the age of 18.

Who's going to pay? The parents who didn't want the child? They can't afford it. The State? Again, I don't think we can afford it as a nation.

And the latest annual figures I can find show that just under 190,000 abortions took place in 2011. Even if just 10% of those went full term (as the pro-lifers want) and were put up for adoption, we would need 19,000 families PER YEAR to be ready to adopt. There is simply no where near that number of families wanting to adopt, so many of the children that would be born will end up in care,condemned to a harder life.

Pro-choice for me.

YANBU

I am pro choice and that does mean women have full autonomy over their body to full term

to not have full autonomy over my own body takes away my freedom

Thinking of you baby just feel all the mumsnetters who are supporting you xxx

More for baby, I'll be thinking of you today.