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josie cunningham.

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CunningAtBothEnds · 20/04/2014 12:56

I have read an article on the above where she states despite being 18 weeks pregnant and pleased up until now she will be having an abortion to "further her career" namely to qppear on big brother.

whether this is morally ok is one thing but AIBU to ask if an abortion for the reasons she gives is legal? i suppose its similar to someone saying its not the right time, just more brazen?

(I consider myself pro choice btw I just find her apparent callousness a bit tough to take)

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YoureBeingASillyBilly · 20/04/2014 15:42

"She has no respect for her unborn child."

Why would she have to? Confused it's unborn. It has no concept or expectation of respect. It cant be disappointed that someone doesnt respect it.

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:43

The thing is though, is that she is no different to any other woman/girl with hideously low self esteem, who is also very naive, under the spell of a third party & in this case, fame hungry!

She really thinks she will be famous
She really thinks BB will take her (not just a pie in the sky chance, but she really thinks it will happen)
She really thinks that will make her career

Just to achieve all that, she thinks she needs to abort her child. She believes that she will get on BB if she does that. Is it not partly the responsibility of the producer of bb to be upfront with her?
To tell her that there is no definite chance she will get on? Tell her that there is no definite chance that it will launch this career she so desperately wants.
To tell her that if she doesn't get on & has a termination, that she will be vilified & hated? Because she doesn't see this.

Infact, I would put it out there that she is NOT a great candidate for BB anyway, I think either way it will destroy her.

Essentially she is no different to the woman living with an abuser.

She really thinks aborting her child will make him stay
She really thinks aborting a child will change her life
She really thinks that she just needs to do this to make it all better.

Both of those women have people promising them the earth if only 'baby wasn't in the way'

Ok, so the producers at BB haven't said it, but it is heavily iplied in the way they stopped contact as soon as they saw she was expecting.

Only difference is, none of you would call the second woman a cunt, or vile, or wish violence upon her.

Topaz25 · 20/04/2014 15:43

I hope she does get counseling. She seems deluded. This is not going to lead to the career she wants. I doubt she will get on celebrity BB now and if she did then she would get voted off immediately amid this negative publicity. Going on BB doesn't tend to lead to long term career success anyway. If she is basing a big decision on this she really needs to think it through.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 20/04/2014 15:44

"I had an abortion because I saw that as the best chance to become famous and get the family some extra cash and give you two more."

That's one way she might put it.

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:47

tracypenisbeaker - It is not the fact that she is having an abortion that makes her a cunt, it is her disgusting attitude in general ... I just can't stand the blase way she spoke about getting rid of her child/ foetus/ whatever your view is. She has no respect for her unborn child.

I'll consider myself a cunt then, shall I? Because I spoke about my unwanted pregnancy/resulting termination with blasé attitude on here in the past. best thing I ever did, to be honest.

NeedsAsockamnesty · 20/04/2014 15:49

Why should she have any respect for the contents of her uterus if she's decided to abort

tracypenisbeaker · 20/04/2014 15:50

SillyBilly, so by your logic a person in a vegetive state, for example, can be disrespected because they don't know what's going on? It is not normally human nature to talk about an embryo/ foetus/ baby as if it is something on the bottom of your shoe.

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:51

Respect for her unborn baby?

My unwanted pregnancy was a parasite. Something I had to get out of me in order to ensure I could my life the way I needed to.

That wasn't through fame, admittedly, but the reason I terminated isn't actually that different to her... (to seek the life we had planned before it happened)

Aeroflotgirl · 20/04/2014 15:51

Yes she should, it is a baby after all, whatever you think, and at that stage has a heartbeat. I am not saying she shouldn't it's not my place, but yes have some respect your herself and tge life she is carrying!

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:52

in order to ensure I could continue to live my life the way I needed to.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 20/04/2014 15:52

A person in a vegetative state is a human being in their own right and gets the respect of a human being. Being born gives you that right. An unborn baby does not have that right.

OrganicG · 20/04/2014 15:52

You asked if I knew the woman in the article, Sockamnesty. Can you please explain what you meant or are you just posting soundbites?

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:53

It is not normally human nature to talk about an embryo/ foetus/ baby as if it is something on the bottom of your shoe.

Not when it is wanted, you are right. But when it isn't wanted, is seen as being in the way of life, it is VERY different.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/04/2014 15:53

But different, would you go to tge media about it, would you conduct yourself in the way she has. No probably not!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 20/04/2014 15:53

Eh?

So it's ok to have an abortion as long as you speak nicely about it?

tracypenisbeaker · 20/04/2014 15:54

Calling a foetus 'contents of the uterus' is disrespectful to people who have had miscarriages. You may feel that way, but women do form a bond with their unborn babies.

Aeroflotgirl · 20/04/2014 15:55

She did want it, she had the scan and started buying baby clothes, but wanted to trade it for publicity and of course a pink Range, how horrid, sorry it is!

Aeroflotgirl · 20/04/2014 15:56

In so agree with Tracey and Topazalways hits the nail on the head.

gordyslovesheep · 20/04/2014 15:56

well I have had 5 miscarriages and I don't find it disrespectful - pleased don't speak for me

NeedsAsockamnesty · 20/04/2014 15:56

You asked if I knew the woman in the article, Sockamnesty. Can you please explain what you meant or are you just posting soundbites

You said something along the lines of "I find her horrible" so I asked if you knew her

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 20/04/2014 15:56

Tracypenisbeaker you are projecting. you might form a bond with an unborn baby. Many many women dont.

Until a baby is born it is indeed the contents of a WOMAN'S (and nobody elses) uterus.

differentnameforthis · 20/04/2014 15:56

Aeroflotgirl Well I am on social media (here) talking about it. There is a wide audience here, of all ages. So yes, I guess I have 'gone to the media' with it.

I wouldn't conduct myself in the way she has, no, because I don't have screamingly low self esteem. Because I don't need to be famous to validate myself. I don't everyone's approval to be able to live my life.

But I also don't think she should be vilified because she lives her life differently to me.

YoureBeingASillyBilly · 20/04/2014 15:58

In fact i do believe i bellowed several times during childbirth for the midwife to "get this thing OUT of me". No eyebrows were raised which led me to believe that wasnt a shocking thing to say. I'll ask my mum- she's a midwife.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch · 20/04/2014 15:58

"Calling a foetus 'contents of the uterus' is disrespectful to people who have had miscarriages. You may feel that way, but women do form a bond with their unborn babies."

Sure. So women who have formed that bond wouldn't use that language. No one is making them.

tracypenisbeaker · 20/04/2014 15:58

Doctrine, I wish people like Josie didn't put herself in that position to begin with. I don't tend to agree with abortion (disregarding exceptional circumstances.) I know unwanted pregnancies do happen, but to have unprotected sex when you don't want a baby is stupid.