To be getting fed up with this hatred of schools and teachers.

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In another thread (this is not really a thread about a thread) about schools some posters have made it very clear that they hate schools, see teachers as jumped up nazis and feel that everyone is feeling superior and looking down on them.

Am I alone is feeling upset and insulted by this?

I am a teacher and surely we both want the same thing, the best for your child?
We are not the enemy. We are on the same side.

NigellasDealer
" 'mutual respect' is essential"

You posted that you start at zero respect for teachers, does this mean that they are allowed to start at zero for you and your child?

i get the opposite. most say how wonderful they are.

intact for me there a necessary evil, who have delusions of grandeur, they don't realize how lucky they have it. on lots of counts

those who cant... and all that

Lucky, mrsb?
Would you care to explain further?

OP I support teachers 100% and I am fully aware of the massive impact Gove is having on education, schools and wide services for young people

I work in schools, I deliver work to classes and assemblies - it is hard work - I couldn't do it all day 5 days a week then come home and work another 2 hours

keep fighting x

i get the opposite. most say how wonderful they are.
I get the same, it amuses me.

intact for me there a necessary evil, who have delusions of grandeur, they don't realize how lucky they have it. on lots of counts
Gosh last week I was told that I was a serial killer, this week evil! . I do know his lucky I am to have a job that gives be so much time with my family. I have said that again and again on here.

those who cant... and all that
I teach History, I admit I am not clever enough to be a proper historian and therefore I teach.

Those who can't, teach?
I'm primary, so I'm supposed to teach all the things that a child needs to know and to have in order to be a well-adjusted, well-rounded individual by the age of 11.
Sadly, so many have had such a dreadful start in life, or leave school every day to go to a less supportive environment, that it's an uphill struggle for many to achieve.
What is it exactly that I can't do that drove me into teaching?
I have a need to fix things, to try and level the playing field, to allow all equal access to their right to an education. I give it my best shot.

ok i work for myself. and if i want or need any perks i have to work bloody hard for them.

you get good salaries, good pensions, great holidays basically get told what to teach, with criteria to be met.

yes Mr Gove has made your job a bit harder. Welcome to the real world. I find many teachers have poor planning skills working long hours when it could be done more efficiently.

i hear story after story of teachers claiming woe is me. i think they need to look a little closer at what they have before complaining.

also many accounts of teachers not listening to common sense and enforcing draconian rules on parents as well as children.

oh i could go on but i wont

"ok i work for myself. and if i want or need any perks i have to work bloody hard for them."

What perks do teachers get?

"you get good salaries"
Yep

"good pensions"

They are ok, not as golden as people like to think.

"great holidays"

Unpaid

"basically get told what to teach, with criteria to be met."

Is that not the same for any job? (although we are supposed to be teaching for the new exams in two years and no syllabus has been released yet)

"yes Mr Gove has made your job a bit harder. Welcome to the real world. I find many teachers have poor planning skills working long hours when it could be done more efficiently."

Really do you actually know what teachers have to do or are you going on your school days?

"i hear story after story of teachers claiming woe is me. i think they need to look a little closer at what they have before complaining."

Normally in response to those saying that we are crap and have it so good.

"also many accounts of teachers not listening to common sense and enforcing draconian rules on parents as well as children."

Talk to the school or the LEA, or do you not enforce the legal requirements of your contract?

"oh i could go on but i wont"

You might as well.

Pretty much what BBJ said.
Being told what to teach?
I'd like them to stop changing things every couple of years.
Or issue us with a huge collection of outstanding lesson plans and resources, so that every Y3 in the country was being taught the same thing on Tuesday 22nd of April. That every child was fed exactly the same diet of work, taking all the fiddling and differentiation out of it. From age 2-18.
Standardisation.
Maximum efficiency.
It's the way all large businesses seem to work.

basically get told what to teach, with criteria to be met.

How does that work? Have you ever looked at the curriculum? Take the new IT curriculum for example, it says (from memory), 'Program a basic algorithm. Debug a simple program.' That's it. For all of key stage one. That's all the information. No lesson plans. No explanation. No resources.
Now I understand that turning that into 64 lesson (one a week for 2 years) is my job but I wanted to make it clear that we are not being handed lessons and just stand there reading out of a book.

'we are not being handed lessons and just stand there reading out of a book.'

If the government continues on this path, and with the number of PT, unqualified and new entrants, I can see that becoming a possible future.
You just won't have enough expertise in the field for the current model to be sustainable.

Interesting how the people who complain the most about teachers are the ones who don't seem to have a very good grasp of the English language, or spelling, or grammar in their posts.

I find many teachers have poor planning skills working long hours when it could be done more efficiently

Oh do offer your suggestions for more efficient planning. I'm sure the teachers on here can't wait for your pearls of wisdom.

Very true - all failed by their teachers, you see!

oh i could go on but i wont

Thanks Christ for that.

I think there are perks to the job - or I wouldn't do it. Not sure why I have to pretend that teaching is a life of drudgery.

The holidays are a huge bonus, daft to pretend otherwise.

Wait until mrsB's children actually get to school age, she'll be much more specific about her opinions. Either for good or bad.

How's the jewellery and craft shop thing going?

Yes, agree with ilovesooty - would be very interested to hear how I could mark around 210 books with positive comments and a next step for improvement more efficiently?

Really excited to find out where I have been going wrong......

I actually think that I am quite efficient. I defy anyone to do all that I do and work fewer hours than I do.

Anyone inefficient wouldn't last five minutes though, would they? It's kind of an essential in teaching, I would say.

Stamps in different colours, with different comments on them.
Scan the work and stamp. 15 seconds max.
End the drudgery of markig and paperwork.
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Comments are rarely as generic as all that though, especially in Literacy.

Except, Goblin - how does it help the child to move forward if their work has been marked with a stamp?

Do they know EXACTLY what to do better next time, and EXACTLY what went a bit wrong this time?

Because that is what my marking (rightly) is meant to do - and what the school policy on marking (against which all book looks, appraisals, observations etc are marked against) is designed to achieve.

[Tbh, I work in primary, where IME detailed marking (for the next day) and steps for improvement is the expected minimum. Looking at DS's books from an outstanding secondary I suspect the same may not be true in secondary]

But that's what slows us down and makes us inefficient, teacherwith2kids.
Bothering about the details and the individuals takes up far too much time, along with differentiation.
Or that seems to be the message I'm getting from those that say teachers are inefficient if their job takes 60+ hours a week.