To be getting fed up with this hatred of schools and teachers.

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In another thread (this is not really a thread about a thread) about schools some posters have made it very clear that they hate schools, see teachers as jumped up nazis and feel that everyone is feeling superior and looking down on them.

Am I alone is feeling upset and insulted by this?

I am a teacher and surely we both want the same thing, the best for your child?
We are not the enemy. We are on the same side.

higher entry requirements into teaching
that would be a start - i was actually shocked when I realised you could go into teaching with a third class degree! have you got any idea how much effort you would have to put into being lazy enough to get a third?
then some of them do not want to give up their lazy student life so sign up for a PGCE which apparently gives them licence to be bloody rude to parents and vile to children!!
on the other hand there are some wonderful teachers as well, but it is hardly surprising if parents 'have a chip on their shoulder'

eh? I dont know anyone that hates schools and teachers OP!

I reSpect you all (well 80% of you)

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On the internet, you can just walk away from a thread, or hide it.
I am more bothered about the interactions I have IRL, and I have met some dreadful parents and arrogant and inflexible teachers.
Fortunately, over the many years I've been involved with education on both sides of the fence, I have met far more amazing, dedicated and lovely people in both categories.
Those are the ones I remember.

Yes i have had bad experiences Rhonda, very bad, although this is not really the place to share them.

Look at the post immediately above yours, fromparis.

Our school is dominated by overwhelmed teachers on courses, leaving TAs that really only want term time work to hold the fort!

To be fair, I don't tend to see it in real life. I do see parents in real life who dislike particular teachers who are not very good, but I don't tend to see the crass generalisation that this therefore means all teachers are rubbish.

I have seen it on here. To be fair again, most posters do realise that like all professions some people are good at their jobs, and others are not. Most people do seem to realise that you cannot tar all teachers with the same brush. I have seen some posters who do make these crass generalisations, but after being on here for 10 years, I think you see all sorts. I tend to avoid those posters who do think like that. Generally, they'll never see your point, so it's not worth wasting your breath over.

My problem tends to be that teachers always feel they are right. Their opinion more important. GPs are similar.

Your human. You're not always right. Deal with it.

I'm sorry to hear you've had bad experiences, nigella, but I wasn't asking you to share them, just interested to know why someone with such a low opinion of teachers didn't HE their DCS.

Nigellasdealer - fair point!
It IS hard to read those sorts of words BUT I don't know you and you don't know me so you can't take it personally.
And, while I know what some parents mean about a teacher not getting the tone right with their child, well this year I teach 125 students. Of course there are going to be children who like my style and those who don't. It's nigh on impossible to please all the people all the time.

exactly miinie, and those that whine about 'sweeping generalisations' have usually not bothered to actually read through the post that riled them, choosing to only digest half of it.

stopmithering as i said there are some fantastic teachers who really do care;

I find it is different in Scotland. I don't feel under the intense scrutiny that teachers in England seem to be. I can't believe some of the threads on here either.
I was reading a thread earlier where someone raised the spectre of Hitler and concentration camps. I mean really?
I have friends and family in England and they are like me, supportive of the school and interested in their children's education but not to such an obsessive degree.
I can only hope that these threads are the usual MN hyperbole.

teachers always feel they are right

That's a sweeping generalisation, surely?

I am more than willing to admit I am wrong. I don't think My job is any harder than anyone else's- although it makes me fed up when I'm told my job is easier!
I have a good degree from a good Uni. I have lived and worked abroad. I have a lot to offer the teens I teach and I work so hard to make all my lessons for their learning styles. It's tiring and it makes it harder when some parents think their perfect DC are right and that I am wrong.

And you need no qualifications to become a parent, not even an income.
You just need to have unprotected sex and bam! There you are, qualified to be in charge of another human being.

Yet somehow there are teachers with Masters degrees that are dreadful as communicators, or at understanding young children, and tose who came ito teaching by other routes that are exceptional.

In any line of work you get people who are fantastic, people who are perfectly competent, and a minority who fall short. The thing is, you get a skewed view on MN, probably because a vast majority of the demographic will have kids in school, and people tend to post when they have a gripe rather than simply to say 'my children's teacher is good.' Also because virtually everyone has been through the education system, everyone tends to think they're the expert.

Also, when you check some of the people posting there's clearly a few people who just have a personal axe to grind... Maybe they had a bad experience at school 40 years ago, or maybe they're just envious because they couldn't enter a profession like that

I couldn't reach in a million years- I have tremendous respect for those who can because I think the role requires a huge range of skills and unending patience and stamina. I look at my two teenagers and imagine teaching 150 of them over the course of a day, bringing them on and getting them to progress..not to mention dealing with the hundreds of parents, step parents Etc, many of whom will be supportive but some of whom will blame the school for their own crap parenting or chaotic home life.

My SIL teaches and hats off to her. I couldn't.

delivery people (esp royal mail and yodel) always get this hatred on mn too, and probably lots of others who mostly stay at home mums get to mix with on a daily basis.

Couldn't Teach in a million years!

Great post janey.

stopmithering
this year I teach 125 students. Of course there are going to be children who like my style and those who don't. It's nigh on impossible to please all the people all the time.

Thank you for posting that. I had been feeling fed up and low after parental complaint; this has made me realise it's not always my responsibility. If a DC refuses to work because they liked old teacher better and don't like my learning style- that is their poor decision.

then some of them do not want to give up their lazy student life so sign up for a PGCE which apparently gives them licence to be bloody rude to parents and vile to children!!
I'm not a teacher, but I know many people who've done a PGCE and it's bloody hard work. And let's face it, if they didn't have a teaching qualification, people would be jumping up and down in a fury about that. Talk about making sure that they can't win either way.

nigella, I'm still genuinely interested why you didn't chose HE for your DCs - do you just not want to answer?

If that's the case, I will stop asking, but if I felt as strongly as you seem to, that not only are teachers generally poor, but some of them actually damage a child's mental health, I would haul them out without a second thought.

yeh i did take my son out