Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Everyone does?

No they don't?

NeedsmorecakeFri 04-Apr-14 14:29:18

So, maybe im being naive here.. but surely to work as a social worker, you have got to have some kind of clue on this kind of thing? Surely they cant let just anyone do it, the damage that would be done, if some poor woman got stuck with someone spouting such rubbish as has been said today... well. i dread to think the impact that could have.

If it were me id record her spouting her crap and stick it on audioboo and then on Twitter.

No, everyone does not get funding for post grad study. If that was the case I'd have done my pgce years ago.

you, you can get student loans for PGCE fees if that's any help? Or you could when I rang a couple of weeks ago

Yes, but I don't fancy a student loan at my age. Unfortunately, when I was younger I had a severely disabled ds to look after and so further study just was not practical or doable. Now that it is doable as ds is in residential, I feel too old to start taking on loans.

Ah, fair enough! Teaching is one that I've always thought should be funded without loans but nope :(

So to sum up we have organisations like Homestart FFS (albeit just one area as far as we know ) and hospitals who make it as difficult as possible. Needs was expected to do an extra 4 hours for free and then there was chicken pox incident. Fucking appalling.

12 years ago i was working nights in a sex chatline office. A collleauges childcare arrangement fell through so she had to bring her 11 year old daughter in. We had to find somewhere in the small building for her where she wouldnt hear us doing the calls. if my colleuge hadnt come in she would have lost her money for that entire 9 hour shift.

Sex chatlines have offices?!

Heisenberg actually you don't. Student finance will only support you for 4years. LP or not.

Yes fideline it's not just babestation

Randall. No it probably shouldn't.
We should all live in a utopian society where everything is perfect and we have perfect babies with perfect dh's and all the rest.
Unfortunately that world does not and never will exist.

In this world, the real world ,we all know that we are all far from perfect . We know, better than my mum did (as divorce was not as common then) that there is a 50% chance that we will end up being single parents if we have kids. Those are enormous odds.

I despair that woman willingly and knowingly take that risk wearing their rose tinted glasses (it won't happen to me) and think that they are not partly responsible when it all goes tits up. I think they are. As someone who gave up her baby for adoption when she was 16 I do have a clue as to what it means to making those decisions. Again I have never regretted that decision. It was the right thing to do for both me, the baby and my siblings. I was not forced to. I am a British citizen and could have come here and lived on the dole. My mother was told by everyone to bring her kids to the uk where they would be given a council house and money for nothing. My mother was a very proud lady I suppose but that was never going to happen. We were her children and her responsibility. I admire her for that. I think she is a person to aspire to.

By the way. . To whoever said im bitter. I'm really not. If anything in my life had been different I would not be the person I am today or have the family I have. I wouldn't change it for the world

I simply despair at this attitude of dependency that so many woman put themselves in. I can't for the life of me fathom why they do this.

African. Sorry you had to give up your baby.
but, what would we do if everyone who ended up on their own did that?
Where would the children go? Theres no facility. What would it cost?

We would have literally masses of children costing more to tge gov than it currently costs in welfare. For what reason?

I simply despair at this attitude of dependency that so many woman put themselves in. I can't for the life of me fathom why they do this. sad

STILL missing the point?

Most of them don't 'choose' or 'put themselves in' the situation'. They are thrown in - there is therefore nothing to fathom.

Because people don't plan this African because people don't expect things like this to happen. It is all too easy to assume (wrongly) that all single parents are simply that because their marriage split up. They aren't Lee Rigbys wife is a prime example of this.

So after reading every post on his thread, and despite your own experiences, you still think that all single parents are 'putting themselves in this situation'? You can't see how finding a job and compatible childcare is seriously difficult?

Personally I couldn't bring myself to admire someone who chose a life of such gruelling poverty for her children purely because of their own misplaced sense of pride but as I said, we are all different I wouldn't dream of judging someone because I can't know their reasons.

The point is that the vast majority of parents want the best life for their children and do the best they can with what they have. I just cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would resent the tiny amount of help LPs get. Being an LP is fucking hard, not just physically but mentally. Why would anyone with even an ounce of compassion chose not to even try and empathise?

I do think far, far, far too many women have kids by men that they would simply not consider having children with if the welfare state was not there to bail them out if and when things hit the skids. Obviously not all single mothers are in this situation but people like Lee Rigby's widow is a very rare exception, there are hundreds of thoughtless and shor

Fayre.

There is simply no reply to that.
None.

African Export - your Mum was wise as she may not have got the council house, same goes for you as a 16 year old. Instead a life spent moving from one grotty 6 month cowboy landlord tenancy to another might have been your shared fates. I've seen immigrant families of 5 or more stuck in damp bedsits for years on end.

I planned my child, got an education, waited till my thirties blah, blah, blah. I didn't realise he'd be disabled and in my naievity I assumed state education was a universal right for all children. Instead once he got to school age I had to give up work and am now stuck home schooling until he's at least 16. The alternative is that he enters adulthood in a world where it is becoming increasingly clear there will be no safety net for those without life skills and a basic education. The opportunity to work from home is now open to me (it wasn't when he was at school) - I just have to figure out how to make that work now.

In the meantime he has a healthy, able-bodied father that contributes nothing, and earns over £750 a week after tax. Hence my total agreement with you about feckless fathers needing dealing with.

I assumed state education was a universal right for all children.

You're not wrong boc. Another hidden scandal.

And another problem that mothers take the brunt of.

My child was planned. We were married and had been together for 7 years. I am educated.
All changed when he walked out when dd was 20 weeks old.
I was left homeless ( house came with his job) i was abroad, miles from any support network.
I was left penniless as he cleaned out the accounts before he told me he was going.

I didnt chose. I am not responsible..

its NOT a choice African And considering ppl keep bringing up the word "choice" has anyone ever heard of reproductive coercion. A lot of abusive men tamper with womens contraception. Ive seen threads on the Relationship board posted by women that its happened to.

jezebel.com/5978759/why-are-some-men-pulling-out-womens-iuds

Youthecat - Can you not still get bursary and childcare like you can for all health courses? I get childcare and full bursary but then tax credit childcare thresholds are higher so have to do 16 hours normal work

Hold on, Hies. You're DH was going to be a sahd whilst you continued your studies?

How the bollocks did I miss that?

Why on earth would he need to stay at home when you are surrounded by 24hr, 7 days a week, affordable, flexible childcare?

And what would you have lived on exactly. Your bursary and tax credits? Who paid for those exactly, not the the tax payer surely?

I'm sorry but I call bollocks.