Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

meepmeepvroooom That is a really interesting question.

Personal digs? Now I know he/she is not for real.

Its bollocks, i cant think of any mother who would put a 2 week old in 50 hours a week childcare.

Unless it really was a matter of life and death, which doing a masters is not.

Id go as far as suggesting that someone who thought that was a ' good' thing to do, might have a few issues.

But its far more likely its just trolling.

Or your name is xena

That's more likely, Moomin.

Although Xena did have the nanny bring baby to the office when it needed feeding

My DD was in childcare from the age of 6wks (I was sitting entrance exams for university). They wouldn't take a child younger than that.

Misspixie - but was that 50 hours a week? or was if for less time and for a short period of time?

Id question a nursery or childminder that would take that young a child for that many hours too... but then, you know, when you can bribe them with dominoes

Dominoes? needsmore I'm not sure what you mean. I'm stating that some childcare providers simply wouldnt take anyone younger! :) not 50 hours no. Although it bloody well felt like it sometimes when I went on to Uni! .

My point is, Hies, that I could judge but I personally wouldn't.
It's not something I could ever envisage myself doing but (assuming there's even a hint of truth in your story) I don't know anything about you or the hows/whys of your situation.

People just can't be pigeon holed, they insist on being individuals and having different life experiences. Not all working mothers are soulless, career obsessed, shells and not all non-working mothers are lazy, feckless idiots. It's untidy and it's complicated but that's life.

Dominoes was a refer back to Heis... who said she could get childminders to do things for her that others might not have access too, because she knows them from work and can bribe them with Dominoes.

Oh right. Sorry needs .

'then have a duty to both the child and society to support them financialy, emotionally, their education and every other way until they are able to do it themselves. '

This should be BOTH parents between them though not just expect one parent to do it all!

It's now illegal for anyone other than a registered childminder to care for a child on a regular basis for longer than two hours at a time.

Due to the lack of registered childcare providers in my old area with the slightest clue on how to look after kids with my son's SN's a few of us Mums did a bit of research on this topic. A jobshare and childcare swap with a Mum in the same position (so having the specialist childcare skills needed) would seem like the ideal solution. Sadly the stoooopid red tape and regulation here in the UK makes this nonviable.

We couldn't even qualify as childminders to satisfy the tickbox brigade due to the catch 22 of no damn suitable childcare to do the poxy courses! Let alone raise the funding needed due to our low incomes.

I do understand what you are saying to an extent African export, but in this culture neighbour's don't leave food parcels on your doorstep. Instead you get reported to social services who then demand that you take time off work (so lose income!) to investigate your poverty stricken circumstances and possibly take your kids away in the process.

Latch key kids are a thing of the past too.

Can I just ask, African, do you think it should be like that?
Do you think that in a developed, wealthy country such as this a parent with 6 children should be condemned to a life of utter misery and drudge simply because her husband chose to leave her?
Are you telling me you are grateful for your childhood experiences and that you're glad there was no help available to you?

Or do you perhaps think that you would all have had a much happier, healthier life if there had been some sort of safety net. Just a few small concessions which could have been made to acknowledge your mother's contribution to society.

I can understand why you are so bitter about it but I what I can't understand is why you would wish it on other people. 'My childhood was shit so yours should be too'. What kind of attitude is that?

What if one of your children ends up being an LP. Would you derive such great joy from watching them struggle or would you be fighting to make life fairer for them?

Why does it always need to be a race to the bottom?

I genuinely amy dh was supposed to be a sahd but due to a job opp thats come up we genuinely are doing this. Its one of them you wish for things but it all happens at once things unfortunately. I resent the implication I am terrible person for that.

Well it is never pleasant to feel criticized when you are doing your best for your family in difficult circumstances, is it Heis?

Its one of them though again everyone thinks that in this situation. I haveny got 1 supporter in rl or anyone else but hey ho

Then you should have some empathy for others who are only doing the same..

This is proper face palm reading! Is this the level of intellect being accepted to become social workers? Dearie me.

Do you not think those single parents, who are going to be forced to put their toddlers in nursery so they can stack shelves, resent that too?

Just a thought.

I am not bothered about the baby going in Im only worried about passing it. I did it with my first the seperation thing doesnt bother me more the tiredness.

And thats with the support of a partner.... now imagine you are on your own and trying to do that. Then get told you have to fit workfare in too else you will lose all your benefits.

Even though you are trying to benefit yourself by doing the masters.

That, in their eyes means nothing.

Its different for me as Im living with dh so I am having to work and do masters at the mo. I would like to quit job whilst studying but Im self funding childcare so need to make 100s for that.

You think LPs get funding for postgrad study?