Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

I find it really weird how all the male lp and sahd's I have met get told how amazing they are yet female lps are the scourge of society and sahm's need to get a job

Not once did I exempt Fathers from their responsibility. Personally I think it should be a criminal offence to not support your children and you should go to jail for it. And possibly get the snip free of charge...

I feel sure that by this time next week you will be a millionaire and therefore able to buy your own goats and 180000 inch plasma TV.

Thanks bosch. When I am I will make sure to come back and encourage berate you all about how easy it is.

But how is it a choice if your dp has died or left you for someone else? It isn't a choice. It's too late to give the kids back - you already have them and thought life was going to be with a partner.

Yes, of course. Put all these errant fathers in jail. Where exactly? I thought our prisons were already overflowing with proper criminals?

id like a tv and a goat.

I need a tv, the goat could eat the grass, saving me having to mow it. its brilliant.

ive actually just thought of another example of childcare/ workplace problems.

When i first became a single parent ( ie - fled domestic abuse, was left homeless and destitute with a a baby) I found a house and a job. I held similar views to heis, i was ignorant to life. I thought i would work and it would be fine. I got a full time job and set up childcare. A family member offered to have DD for me on a wednesday, to help with the childcare costs, so i found a lovely childminder to cover the rest of the week and put my baby into full time childcare. I was not going to be a single parent on benefits.NO, not me. :)

Except, a few weeks into the job i got called into the office. I had been working my hours. 9-5. I was told that those weren't the hours and that actually it was expected we were to do 2-4 hours over time FOR FREE a day. I was horrified and scared, and unable to do so. I maxed out what i could. Dropping dd off the earliest i could. there was no childcare that started any earlier. There was no childcare that finished later than 6. It was impossible for me to do those hours. But i tried. i skipped lunches, worked my arse off.

Two months in and the family member calls, they dont want DD on a wednesday anymore, it too much. Im literally screwed. The childminder cant take her as she doesnt have a free place any more. The only place free in the whole town was a nursery. I booked an appt to go and look around it, at 5:50. the latest possible time i could. I left the office at 5:40. 40 mins AFTER my leaving time. I hated the place but had no choice so signed DD up. The next morning i got called into work and was hauled over the coals for leaving when there was still work to do. Again AFTER my contracted hours. I tried to explain and i was shouted at and told ' THERE IS NO EXCUSE I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR IT' I was not allowed to say why. I have a photo of dd, 9 months old, that was taken by an official photographer at the nursery. She looks like the unhappiest child in the world. I cant ever look at it as it breaks my heart. But i keep it.

I had a breakdown shortly after all this.

I dare anyone to tell me i dont want to work. I dare anyone to tell me its easy and im lazy.

I dare anyone to tell any one in my position she needs to re educate herself, work harder.

I think we would probably have less criminals in our jails if fathers were actually held accountable and forced to be responsible for their offspring.

Dare them, Needs, dare them. But I'm not cleaning up the resultant bloodbath.

AE, are you living on the same planet as the rest of us?

Yes African because all of our children will be criminals won't they? Our own fault for 'choosing' to be LPs

Oh god yes I know so many murderers who wouldn't have killed had their dad paid £5 a week to their mum

I dare anyone to tell me i dont want to work. I dare anyone to tell me its easy and im lazy.I dare anyone to tell any one in my position she needs to re educate herself, work harder.

They wouldn't to your face needs. Like our dear african here feeling quite safe to come out with such very offensive shite that it would quite possibly get her a fist in the face if she said it in the pub. So cowardly.

In fact I might head down to the cafe now and start telling people they are immoral and lazy and their children will turn out to be criminals, just as an experiment.

Course they wouldnt.

Or they would, but then would say ' oh, i dont mean you' or ' why dont you do more hours, work a bit harder'

before telling me that they have done some overtime, to afford a holiday or whatever. I cant afford jack all. If i work more, i lose the same amount in help. I cant ever get anymore money. That is what is as oppressive as anything else..

that forcing lone parents into workfare, isnt going to make them any better off. even if they get a job they arent going to be any better off, by virtue of being on their own, with one income, supporting a whole family. Thats even if they manage to sort out the whole childcare issue.

They are still going to be relliant on tax credits etc... so soon as they earn more, get that pay rise, go up a band from a promotion at work, they will lose the tax credits and end up in the same situation.

You know I think this workfare is so ludicrous it might blow up in the Con-dems faces.

but possibly not. too many people buy into the stereotype.

Its easier to do that than to actually look at the facts and try to sort out the issues, the barriers. To question why and to look for a workable solution.

Its far easier to shout a few names and throw a few stones, isnt it.

Oh yes! A stoning! And we didn't even say 'Jehovah'.

Why on earth am I still reading this guff?
It's like a form of self-flagellation isn't it!
I must be punished, for once my husband left I stopped being a 30+yo professional and became a 19yo scrounger.

I notice that once I outlined my situation the poster didn't ever return to tell me which parts of it were my own choice. Funny that.

Must remember to take my badger with me today when we go to the park. How else will they spot the difference between me and the married parents? Oh yes, because you can 'just tell' can't you. There'll I'll be, thinking I'm blending in, whilst all the time oozing my 'feckless idiot' vibes.

whilst all the time oozing my 'feckless idiot' vibes.

You can get ointment for that.

Of course African, because a women on her own couldn't possibly bring up her child to be a respectable member of society could she?

I wonder what a twat smiley would look like

Probably can't afford it Fid.

Hahaha @fid and randall.

:)

Randall you most likely couldnt... im sure most of your money goes on takeaways anyway since im almost cetain you cant cook.

Setting aside the ideological arguments, workfare doesn't work.

Making single (mostly) mothers work 15 hours a week for free during school hours. Does anyone see the flaw in this? Free labour to do those plentiful part time jobs that fit in between 9am and 3pm is hardly going to create more paid job opportunities of that kind is it!

Workfare is a great idea if its getting work done which would not happen otherwise -but when it is helping large companies to get richer by not having to employ paid staff the its a bloody stupid idea

I was talking to our local career librarians this week - they have had their hours reduced but have been inundated by volunteers who will do their jobs for free.

This will not make our society better - it will just make the rich richer and it harder for genuine working class people to get jobs.

The conservatives went down this route when I left school too and it didnt work then either - I did two employment schemes for employers who had no intention whatsoever of taking me on at the end....."your time is up, you have been great.....NEXT!"