Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

I know she does Fid, which is why i, and millions of others, suck it up and do the best we can.

I know im doing the best i can. Im not at any risk of workfare, ive always worked, I still posted on this thread as i think its insane, as i can and do understand how hard it is being a lone parent, and how its an almost impossible situation with almost no way out ( other than meeting a new partner)

The odds are stacked against you. Im just angry that those odds seem to be doubling, and feel greatly, for the women who they will be effecting.

• the amount of parents I see ignoring their dc at the zoo until they want to take photos is shocking.8

God yes

Oh and the bit about skilled parents is crap. A lone parent with qualifications and experience can't magically find flexibility and childcare anymore that a lone parent with no qualifications.

Oh no not really many houses doen the road are worth a million. its not your average area thats the south west for you.

Im just angry that those odds seem to be doubling, and feel greatly, for the women who they will be effecting.

Yep and it is revolting that other women are lining up to crow or lecture or put the boot in

yeah, i engage with DD, im a damn good parent. I dont even care that its not british to say that :) but i am.

Heis, so..... everyone you know are 4 people to a one bed flat, childminding... yet there are houses down the same road that are worth a million?

Hopefully the more of us describe our own (non-lazy, non-teenage, qualified, skilled, motivated) experiences, the harder it will be for the stereotypes to dominate.

No.. They don't work. Sorry

Having children and bringing them to is not a job. It is a choice you make and when you make choices you live with the consequences. The impact of having children is that your then have a duty to both the child and society to support them financialy, emotionally, their education and every other way until they are able to do it themselves.

I am sorry I will never ever agree that it is societies role to financially support those who CHOOSE not to support themselves.

They are your children. . and your responsibility.

and no. . I really don't see having children as making a contribution to society that society needs to subsidise. You want kids, you get a job and you pay for them.

Fid, it is revolting. And ironic. They bleet on about education yet are so uneducated themselves that they are ignorant to current policies, to how it all works.

Bore off African, there's a good chap

So what about those who are single parents through divorce/bereavement? Should they just leap into action through their grief and get a job (what jobs?)? How is that being a single parent through choice?

You mention the duty to emotionally support our children - how when they are expected to be in childcare and you're too knackered after work to do more than get tea and get them to bed?

You are ignorant in your views. Very ignorant.

And the fathers Africa?

what about them? If they chose to have a child, wheres their contribution?

Why do we live in a society that makes it acceptable for the fathers to not pay, to opt out of supporting their children? The csa is awful, it now charges the LP to chase these fathers for support money. Who came up with the min 15% of the fathers wage to support the child. That pays for nothing. Im one step away from a food bank while my ex husband is now rolling in it.

But hey, heres a good idea. Lets beat the mothers who are left picking up the pieces, with a massive great stick. YAY!

Well needs I have been trying not to say the following but I will, because I'm pissed off.

I suspect that some most of these bitchy moralising types are actually rather dim, dead-end brain job, boring people with nothing to feel proud of, who turn up on threads like this to spout ill-informed DMesque nonsense because it is their only chance in life to EVER feel superior

In fact the more I think about it, the more I'm sure that's what it's about in 90% of cases.

The biggest challenge most of them have ever faced is dealing with a broken nail.

What thread are you reading African?

Choose not to work?

So Heisenberg: setting up as a childminder to look after the children of one single other family (necessary for the chickenpox scenario) is virtuous.

But staying at home with your own children is not. Could you explain your reasoning?

Could you also please explain how a childminder without a working spouse is expected to survive on minding one or two children (this being a normal-sized family), particularly once they reach school age?

As for every unemployed person owning a property that will pass Ofsted inspections- I expect they give them away with the flat screen TV.

I need to look up the stats, but gingerbread said that the majority of single parents are single parents due to divorce. The average single parent is in her 30's with two children, and finds herself there due to divorce.

I have quoted that till im blue in the face, people do not want to know. They like to believe its a teenage girl popping out babies to get a flat in which to house her flat screen tv and designer clothes.

My damn TV has been broken for 2 years. It works ' sometimes' and requires a lot of banging and swearing to get it to work.

And i WORK and i cant afford to get a new one. I cant afford to fix it. Its our only TV. I cant afford to save, because theres nothing left over.

Such is life.

but fuck me, i should work harder, for that extra £20 a month so at somepoint in the future, if i save that £20, in 3 years i might ( should nothing else come up, no other appliances break, i MIGHT) be able to buy another.

Am I the only one smelling MRAs?

Fids, yep. You are right. Like i said, ironic. Blather on about education, but not educated enough to know the policies that exisit, that goven things.

Blather on about morals, but like cory has just said, the reasoning ( like the childminding for chicken pox gate) is so silly it literally makes NO SENSE and is not feasible in the real world.

But no, people like this continue to look down and spout their shit. and of course, they are right, by virtue of being the lucky ones not to have found themselves in this situation. Yet.

Is anyone else glad not to have been on the receiving end of heis social work skills??

No bosch I'm gutted. If only i had met her ten years ago she could have sorted my whole life out for me. I bet she would even have told me where they were handing out the free TVs and goats

I've had to resort to the goat simulator - can't afford the school fees for a real one these days.

You got the simulator? All I got was rope with a bell on it and told to pretend.

Or it might have been a 'stimulator'??

that's SUCH a positive attitude fideline you are clearly not one of these scrounging, lazy, moral-lacking lone parents and I feel sure that by this time next week you will be a millionaire and therefore able to buy your own goats and 180000 inch plasma TV.

Still amazed at the fact here women are pitted against each other.
WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LONE DAD PARENTS?
Oh yes, they are carrying on life as normal, with a job and no kids to worry about taking time off for.
Why can't some people see this is punishing women and not men? When they say Lone Parent, just how many of those will be dads?