Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Wannabe - Its good money though you can get 4 quid an hour per child. My friends are raking it in.

Fids, really?

WHY??? why is this happening? i dont understand wtaf is going on. What can be done? what can we do about this? where can i channel my absolute rage about this?

What about all the other points on my list that would make CMing a problem Heis?

Needs the funding was restructured a couple of years back (top up for support services to women used to come via a different channel). I'll try to find a link. It is disgusting.

Not every single mum will be from an abusive relationship or have previous offences though fide. Our la does help with start up costs if you on income support.

Turns out Universal credit is about to make it even worse Link here

heis - i love your assumption that lone parents might be ina one bed flat.

are you a real person? im begining to suspect not... a baby in 50 hour a week childcare, magical childminders who noone else has found to exist.' Random' friends who do work and you have known years who are able to look after your sick child at the drop of a hat.

i smell a rat.

wannabe. Im not. Or, i am, but so are all others that leave. Its a very hard decision and i think, and im not sure this is going to be the answer i want to give, and it pains me to do so... but it really only swaps one problem for another. As a woman in that situation, with children, i dont think there is a ' win' I dont think there is an outcome where its all ok for her. That makes me very sad, and goes against all my feminist principals to even think that, let alone type it. But, well, i think, given the evidence, given how things are, its actually it awful truth. While i would never advocate someone staying in a situation like that, leaving ( while society is how it is...) doesn't seem to be the answer.

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I know Heis but when you consider that one third of the adult population have criminal convictions, that a high proportion of LPs have experienced DV and that a large % of LPs are in privated rented housing, the three factors together have probably ruled considerably more than half of LPs out of CMing.

What start up costs are those heisenburg? I take it you're not on about the CCG's, they've been scrapped I believe and were v.v. hard to get to begin with. the only time you were guaranteed to get one is if you were being released from prison .

fids that's disgusting I really thought society would have moved on from victim blaming by now!

heis in the the summer dp leaves at 7.30 and often doesn't get back till 8 pm working 6 days a week. Maybe this is because I had an unhappy childhood but using the one day we have to make happy family memories for my dd is worth a lot more than £4 ph

Fid, christ.

Im actually gobsmacked. Ah, im getting all emotional and feel a bit teary. What they hell are women suposed to do?

needsmore you are amazing and believe me one day your children will thank you for it - I don't know if I will completely heal from being in that environment. There really does need to be more help and support for dc victims

This is about the 2003 'supporting people' budget changes. UC is about to compound the problem.

There's a 'what you can do' paragraph at the bottom of that last link (women's aid)

Needmorecake - Im married with 3 kids in a 2 bed flat. Why are you judging flats?

You obviously live in a dirt cheap area ineedmorecake as plenty of married/partnered families of four are in one beds and yes you can still childmind in them!

needsmore you are amazing and believe me one day your children will thank you for it - I don't know if I will completely heal from being in that environment. There really does need to be more help and support for dc victims

I second that. My two teens are very articulate and very definite that they are glad we left their violent 'father' and both remember the free museum, picnic-in-the-garden skint LP years very happily.

It is worse for us as mums, needs.

My child might thank me for it.... but as hies so kindly pointed out, shes just pushed ( or now walks) around my town, never doing much because i cant afford to do it, because im not working ( enough) to want to better myself.

Even though ive pointed out that to be another £20 a month better off id have to work maybe another 10 hours a week...( because any kind of help you get is on a sliding scale) The price DD would pay would be high, and again, this is if i could manage to find childcare to cover those extra hours, not just 9-5 but evenings and weekends... then there are the school holidays to cover too. But according to heis i should do it, and the reason i dont is the very reason why im going to stay as i am.

Bollocks.

Your DD needs you more than she needs the extra £20 needs. I know it's hard. You can safely disregard the half-baked ignorant opinions, though.

heis, i live in the south east. I do believe one of the more expensive parts of the uk for housing. Sadly for me.

Im also confused as you are now saying you know families of 4 in one bed flats....??? who are all on fb and working, but able to have your children at the drop of a hat. But who are all educated and able to walk straight into jobs after being made redundant? So, is this made up? or where is this mythical place where jobs are plentiful but housing isnt?

I smell a rat

Down south. It is a different community down here as it is very deprived but then on other hands very affluent. Ive been on mn 6 years and wrote about my social work plight on different threads I have started under different names Im def real! Jobs are not plentiful but are if your skilled as most people camt be arsed at all kids or no kids.

needsmore so what you can't afford to do a lot with your dd a dm who engages with her child whilst doing normal things is doing her dc a far better service than another mother who takes her dc places so they can occupy themselves or fails to engage with them- the amount of parents I see ignoring their dc at the zoo until they want to take photos is shocking.

Well really then Heis your remarks and theories are more relevant to 'depressed northern post-industrial areas' than they are to 'single parents receiving welfare benefits' per se.

Some ridiculous posts from Heisenberg there. I doubt many lone parents have an army of random friends who can take their child at a drop of a hat. Or the facilities to childmind. I know my landlord wouldn't let me. But then I suppose I should move house and find one who would. Never mind how much that would cost or the fact that I'm on a low rent for my area but still pay and extra £75 on top of housing benefit.

And missing the major point that a DH provides emotional support too. So when you're sat looking at bills wondering where the money will come from or you have a financial emergency or you want to do a masters, you have someone else there to bear the stress with you, to talk things through with and to get a break from.