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Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

999 replies

WaterLoadaCack · 01/04/2014 21:54

kept that quiet didnt they

OP posts:
heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:03

I work in social work so yes I suppose it is a certain demographic. I empathise with the people as you can put them in every workfare going butI dont believe it will work.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:05

And fideline if they have been studying for masters then surely thats is doing something? I am doing amasters and not working but thats gaining further experience.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:08

And again, i dont think it leads to more options. Unless you are lucky/have a good support network.

My career has steadlier got worse since i found myself on my own. Doors have shut because i dont have the flexiabilty they need. Because theres not just my sick days when they occur but my dds and the childminders too. I was once given a warning when i had two days off when she had chicken pox. I had found childcare for her and had to drive my poor, ill baby a few hours away and leave her with a family member.i still got in the shit for having two days off and was told if i couldnt always be at work i should think about if i should work at all

dd lost out. I lost my chance to care for my sick child.

Not worth it for an additional 20 per month..

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:11

And you would have to do workfare then... as thats not actually working.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:12

Im taking 2 weeks off maternity from the masters and so will be going back at 9 months to my job and working as well so no need for workfare.

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:14

It's not working though Heis. I did a ton of CPD and volunteering when I wasn't working and then statrted a doctorate. It didn't stop me from having to listen to people like you waffle patronisingly on about the benefit os work (which I was dying to do but couldn't at that point).

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:16

This constant stereotyping of LPs as gormless low-skilled teens with croydon facelifts gets very very wearing.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:16

I am sending my 2 week old to childminders whilst I carry on with my career so maybe Im not the best personal example! However whichever way you look at there are plenty more low skilled sahms than ones with masters and experience.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:18

Its not working. And on this scheme isnt allowed.

You would be made to stop that and do your workfare as they believe that will lead you into a job.

This is one of the many reasons people are cross.

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:19

Given that the average age of a LP is something in the mid-30s, Heis it seems fair to assume that most of them have reasonable pre-child or pre-spit experience.

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:19

^ pre-SPLIT

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:20

Needsmorecake? I am I will be on maternity leave from my actual job? I would never not work. Im having 2 weeks off from the masters for maternity

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:21

Gingerbread also commissioned research which showed that ninety-something percent of working single mothers were employed at a level for which they were over-qualified. (Other research has shown the same but the gingerbread one was recent). For that to be the case, most of the sample must have been pretty reasonably qualified.

You are swallowing the media tripe heis

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:24

The workfare scheme will be full of over-qualified women cleaning shops, many of whom will have been ripped away from their own studying/training/quality volunteering arrangements to do it. It is utter utter madness. There is no justification.

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:25

Needsmorecake's experience sounds more like every LP I have ever met.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:26

Heis, are you a lone parent?

Fid, ive certainly found that to be the case, im so far over qualified for my job its a bit of a joke. I tried to have it all and hold down my career, but working 60 hours a week, trying to run a home on my own and still breastfeeding a baby led me to having a breakdown. I cant do it all. All the morals in the world couldnt make it possible.

Ive since tried to find work where it kind of works, and unfortunately that work is low paid. However, even the average full time wage where i am isnt much more than £16k, which isnt enough either...

its really a rock and a hard place, most often through not the womans fault.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:27

I am against the workfare scheme? The mums that are better qualified will get work in the end and are self motivated and educated the ones the arent wont work either way regardless of what you do. My area down South with a lot of very affluent areas has 1000s of people in this situation.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:29

No needmorecake but dh has been promoted 2 days ago so is continuing with a shift work full time job and only having 2 weeks off whilst I have a 2 week maternity from a full time masters and work with no family help and 3 children so trust me I get the pressures!

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:31

Fid, yeah, i know. Its maddening. When i think about it i get very cross, yet while this ' thick single mother who doesnt want to work' myth gets bandied about, then thats what most people think. When you show people stastics, like the one you just quoted from gingerbread, people dont want to know.

Look at ' a girl called jack', found herself on her own, couldnt hold down her £26k a year job as it was shifts and she couldnt find childcare, thought she would find something quickly. Couldnt find a thing, ended up on her arse with £10 a week to feed her and her child. It happended quickly and could happen to anyone.

Its very rarely about not wanting to work, and very often about trying to get something that works with you being the main, and very often, ONLY carer to a child/children.

Needsmorecake · 04/04/2014 07:32

heis - no. No you do not get the pressure, you havent a damn clue.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:33

My baby is in full time childcare from 14 days old trust me I know

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:34

Heis do you think you could muster the humility to listen to those of us who have been there when we tell you it is NOT the same.

As a LP there is no-one else to muck in. Not even to pick up nappies on the way home, mow the lawn, do an emergency pharmacy run at midnight, do the odd school-run. NOTHING. And none of us discover this and what it really means until it happens to us.

I have a DH now who works on IT contracts, frequently away from home for weeks, but there are still two of us. It is not remotely the same as being an LP.

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:35

It

heisenberg999 · 04/04/2014 07:36

Sorry posted too early it isnt normally bit in my situation it is as I have a newborn in full time childcare and breastfed from 2 weeks old. I understand sometimes its hard.

fideline · 04/04/2014 07:37

Look at ' a girl called jack', found herself on her own, couldnt hold down her £26k a year job as it was shifts and she couldnt find childcare, thought she would find something quickly. Couldnt find a thing, ended up on her arse with £10 a week to feed her and her child.

Yep and while you are on your arse plotting and planning and penny-pinching your route up, the world and his wife wander up to patronise the f**k out of you. Angry