Workfare scheme for loan parents of children as young as 3, as of next month.

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kept that quiet didnt they

Dahlen, I would imagine pride, morals, settinh an example to the child and wanting the best outcome for their child mean lots would always work over choosing a life on benefits.

I would imagine most are women as our courts favour women. The starting point should be 50/50. Also, sadly many women see the man as the inferior parent who is not worthy of the role simply as he didnt give birth.

I love the way happy assumes that school hour employment must be easy to arrange, just because she has been lucky.

I would imagine most are women as our courts favour women. The starting point should be 50/50. Also, sadly many women see the man as the inferior parent who is not worthy of the role simply as he didnt give birth.

You're an MRA aren't you Happy?

Morals don't put food on plates. I had to go without food to feed my DC. I am really not going to judge anyone who prioritises whatever lifestyle is most likely to guarantee feeding her child.

You know why women got the vote? Why we have maternity leave? Why marital rape was outlawed? Why divorce law was changed to allow women to see their children and retain assets (because in the past men had those rights automatically and women only kept babies when they and their babies were abandoned). Because women fought long and hard to them.

When men fight as hard for paternity rights, for flexible working, are willing to take time off for their DCs illnesses/INSET days as often as women do, when they do the school run as often and keep an eye on the extra-curricular calendar, then they can expect 50/50 residency - and they'd be granted it because judges really do favour the status quo when it comes to setting residency arrangements.

Darkeyes - Im saying workfare is pointless so I wouldnt have you or anyone doing it?

Fideline, i never said school hour jobs are easy to find did I?. 9-5 is though and childcare is readily available for these hours as they are so popular. Not wanting to use or pay for childcare is not a good enough reason to not support a child.

9-5 jobs are easy to find? What planet are you actually on? Nothing but a wind up.

There is no point in trying to explain basic economics to Happy (just as well she has never been in the situation where her husband leaves her and dodges child support, huh?) or the simple fact that you can't feed and clothe children on morals alone. With your wage alone, Happy, could you pay for all of your children to be in nursery if they were under school age as well as feed, clothe and pay all mortgage/utility bills and transport costs?
Or are you going for supermum prize arse of the year awards here?
Sorry to say your 'morals' don't sound very sound at all.

Happy Most (80%+) of the LPs I have known who have had periods of unemployment have children with additional needs.

Childcare for DC with additional needs is thin on the ground or extremely expensive (SN nannies).

Many children with SN are not even in FT school. I know a dozen families contending with that issue.

These issues affect many many people.

Then you have parents who have health issues themselves.

Your facile answers don't work in complex situations.

I can't believe she's for real Lion. No-one is that lacking in imagination or humility.

Not holding the male parent as responsible for their child as the female parent is a loosing argument.
If people can't see that and what message these policies send to the public are perpetuating then we are all screwed.

FSM aren't granted to working households < no they are granted to people on a low income. Some of which, are working.

Some people don't care about the facts. They just want a venue where they can hate freely.

Why is bringing up our own children (who were our choice to have of course) not seen as worthy?

Ggrrrr! Happy, gggrrr
I was a single parent on benefits many years ago and frankly I turned down work because the only childminders I knew at the time, and they were lovely people, would sit their charges down in front of the telly all afternoon. I'm sorry, hopefully with so much certification nowadays, that is not what happens. But really is the "good example" of having a mother in paid employment worth sacrificing their entire childhood for?

BTW. My daughter is nearly 30 and has always been a hard and responsible worker.

I think it is mexicanspringtime as your not sacrificing their childhood. If anything not working is so bleak the mums I know have no work and cant take their children places or show them anything. They seem to spend their whole lives in one town many never even having left the county by their teens. No aspirations to achieve or have a decent job. They drop their children off at nursery and talk about going home to watch tv or when they have their childrwn just pushing them around and around town I think its very depressing, but its the life of 100s if not 1000s of people in this country.

But working as a lone parent doesnt mean you have any more money to be able to do things with. Unless you are on a very good wage, what you earn is lost in help and you end up in roughly yhe same position.
Thats why its called the benefits trap.

Ive just done some overtime... and had a bonus. Not much but enough that i buy dd a summer wardrobe without total worry.

This has co incided with a letter from the council as they check things yearly.

Which means i will end up looking like ive been overpaid and they will lower my housing benefit. I earn less than the tax threashold... but still dont even get half my rent paid. I have a monthly disposable income of £70. Thsts it.

To have the option of earning more and being better off taken away is fucking depressing.

to have my bonus taken away.... fucking depressing. Ive worked just as hard as everyone else at work... yet i will lose it as i ended up on my own as my husband was an ambusive arse. Hardly fair. Hardly my fault.

Its all very well to make assumptions... but there are usually reasons behind peoples behaviour. It might do you goos to dig a little deeper....

You dont have that much more money but theres so much difference in the mums who work to ones that dont at our nursery. Its the self esteem, confidence, purpose etc. Most of the non working mums and dads will probably ever be able to get jobs now.

Happymummy is coming from the perspective of a mum who has worked she will find it really easy to find another job and have lots of options. They will always walk out of one job straight in to another, but the mums who are eligible for workfare will have bitty cvs, massive gaps for sahming etc. Who on earth is going to employ them?

Ive always worked too.
And you have just made your first argument moot. £70 a month disposable income isnt anything to do anything with. It has to clothe dd and i... fix the car, birthdays etc.... its fuck all.

If i worked more hours, and i have done in the past, im maybe £90 better off... but the cost to dd isnt worth it.

Im also not sure if you have checked the job market recently, but noone is walking out of one job and straight into another.

Also, by your judgement... im guessing the employers who wont hire as someone has been a sahm will apply that to married sahms and not hire then either.

Its same for me but if course its worth it. Your earning your own money, giving yourself options for the future etc. When I started out with children I was only on 6.08 and not getting much more than everyone on benefits, but a few years later I have so many options that it was more than worth it. The other mums are completely unemployable.

My workplace just closed down and all the mums walked straight out and in to another as we have always worked so recent experience etc

I dont think it is worth it. To get that extra 20 per month means more childcare for dd. More days she has to go into school when shes too ill to go as i cant be off. More times in the holiday shes palmed off in childcare.

It ends up so dd pays the price of my divorce.

Im pleased you all founds jobs but dont be so naieve to think that because it happened once it is indicitive to the whole of the uk.

Heisenberg I suspect you are talking from a position of very narrow experience. I know lots of former SAHPs who are professionally qualified and had very little trouble getting back into their careers after 4/5/6 year breaks, loads more who have used a second Masters degree to change direction after a career break, still more who have eased their way back in by freelancing. Most LPs I have ever met are in their 30s/40s with decades of career behind them and good references.

The more you and Happy waffle on, the more I suspect you are discussing a very specific demographic. I think you are projecting your own very narrow low-skill experiences onto everyone. This 'you can tell the working from non-working mums at nursery' guff, just sounds mad. It only makes sense if you are discussing a very economically-depressed area.

Its the difference in people in that makes the other person have optiobs. I would of worked garder and took the 20 quid so its a better long term future. A lot of people wont and thats why they are stuck in that position.