AIBU to think Stephen Lawrence should be allowed to RIP

[vexedfoxy]

Most people on here are parents (as am I) and the thought of the loss of a child whatever age is horrific. However does there come a time as in the Lawrence case when everyone should allow the victim to rest in peace. I am not using the AWFUL term 'closure' or 'moving on' but just allow death in peace and be with your memories of the loved one however it happened. Those involved everyday have to be with their thoughts and consequences for the rest of their own lives.

[gordyslovesheep]

YABU OP and demonstrating a total lack of understanding about the case

[kungfupannda]

YABVU

An old colleague of mine was involved in the case and I met Mr Lawrence who was a lovely, dignified, driven man. I know that he and Doreen had their differences, but he spoke extremely highly of her, and my colleague met her many times and thought she was an amazing woman.

Their determination has made a huge difference, beyond bringing their own son's killers to justice. But there are still people involved in the cover-up who haven't faced justice, and racism hasn't magically disappeared. She's made her son's death mean something. I don't know how that makes her feel, but if it's any comfort to her at all then I hope she keeps talking about Stephen for the rest of her life. And if she does, then that's all to the good for the rest of us who live in a society which still has a long way to go in terms of rooting out racism at all levels.

[GossamerHailfilter]

YABU.

Only two fifths of the men responsible for his death are in prison. The rest are free to live a life while Stephen's parents are still having to morn the loss of his.

The police made a terrible job of the investigation into his death. They blamed the victim, spent time looking for dirt on the Lawrence family instead of finding the killers, lost or ignored key evidence.

I suggest you read Brian Cathcart's book on the case OP. Its old now but is a very good overview of the whole case and its failings.

[shakinstevenslovechild]

Far too many parents on here don't have to imagine what it is like to lose a child, we are all living it day to day.

Each and every one of us has our own ways of remembering our children, some of us work very hard for various charities associated with the reasons our children died, some of us speak about them all the time, some of us carry pictures, some of us have special events in our childs name.

Should we all just STFU, let the world forget our precious children and forget about them too? Are we not allowing our children to RIP.

She is doing what she can to cope with her son being taken from her like that, and I applaud her for that, as I do every bereaved parent who manages to even get out of bed every day, because it is fucking hard to try and carry on living when your child isn't with you anymore.

In future I suggest if you hold such ridiculous opinions you keep them to yourself.

[GossamerHailfilter]

I have to add that the SL case is the only time I have ever agreed with the Daily Mail.

[JourneyToThePlacentaOfTheEarth]

Op yabvvu for all the reasons articulated so eloquently by pp. Of course he is RIP but there is still work to be done. Thank God Doreen is willing to do it.

[Ubik1]

It's the alleged police corruption.

It goes further than StephenLawrence case.

Do you think police corruption should just be ignored?

Good for the Lawrences.

[kungfupannda]

Sorry - my post should have said 'bringing some of their son's killers to justice.'

[BumPotato]

I think it is his mother who decides that. YABU

What is resting in peace anyway? It means nothing to the deceased.

[Toadyfecker]

I can only echo Sassh. Perfectly put. We all owe a great deal to Doreen Lawrence.

[shakethetree]

I'm not sure if YABU or not as I don't have enough background information. Nothing will bring their son back, & (sadly) nothing they do will stop people being murdered or the police making mistakes - look at child abuse cases. we have inquiry after inquiry after a child dies ( remember Victoria Climbie? ) baby P & others still died after her. This is not a perfect world & it never will be.

What's the M&S campaigne?

[ItsSpringBaby]

I agree with others who have posted. Stephen's murder, was one of many racially motivated killings during the same period which were being swept under the carpet.

I can understand that people are fed up with hearing about this specific case, but it is really only through her determination that police corruption and incompetence was finally brought to light. Not only involving this case, but many others.

[Fantissue]

In the House of Lords for having a dead son? You really are a dickhead Vexedfoxy.

Though I can see why you're confused by the whole situation, given your IQ and basic human empathy seem to be around the level of a sub par goat.

[Fantissue]

And for those asking about M&S, their print and billboard adverts now feature women who've made significant contributions to society. Thinks actresses, Olympians, artists...and tireless justice campaigners.

[fluffyraggies]

M&S campaign:
An eclectic group of influential British women, including Baroness Lawrence, mother of murdered teen Stephen, are the stars of the new M&S campaign.

Launching nationwide on March 31, the latest batch of 'Leading Ladies' includes British women from diverse backgrounds and professions, united by personal style and inspirational achievements.

[fluffyraggies]

this was c/p from DM

[Chippednailvarnish]

In the House of Lords for having a dead son? You really are a dickhead Vexedfoxy

I think you're being far too kind Fan.

[LIZS]

Think I see what you are driving at op but surely it is up to the relatives. fwiw I hope a time will come when Doreen Lawrence is introduced on media reports as someone other than the mother of Stephen as I think she has a lot to say and represent in her own right. Stephen, the waste of such a young life and the political implications of his tragic case should never be forgotten.

[Birdsgottafly]

"It's the alleged police corruption. "

It wasn't alleged, it was proven.

OP can you clarify if you know anything about the case?

Not the murder, but the findings of Institutional Racism and how the SL case changed UK Laws and Policies and put the duty on Public Bodies to investigate and make sure that IR wasn't in existence in any employees practice?

//www.theguardian.com/.../stephen-lawren...

I'm in Liverpool, we look forward to the same happening via Hillsborough.

[Springheeled]

Yabu!
Half of his killers are still walking around free!
Police corruption in the met and institutional racism allowed that injustice in 1992 and both things are still present in the met in 2014.
This is the most unreasonable post I have ever read on here!
No justice, no peace.
I hope that the Lawrences campaign as visibly and vociferously as they can for the rest of their lives.
I'd rather hear voices calling for peace, justice and humanity than all the other crap we have to listen to day in and day out in the media. Especially the crap you posted in your OP.

[MarrogfromMars]

It's not just about a tragic death or the police 'making mistakes' - it's about racism and corruption. There was an undercover police spy planted in one of the groups campaigning for justice to try and dig up dirt on his family www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/06/stephen-lawrence-police-corruption-ellison-report

[Birdsgottafly]

It seems I can't link.

Google "how the SL case changed UK law", or just Britain.

Changes have happened, but there is still more to be done.

[AuroraSim]

YABVU - and treats all I'm going to say on the matter before it gives me the rage

[NigellasDealer]

YABU this one should go on and on.

[creighton]

the reason the Lawrence family remains in the news is because the police have spent 20 years attacking them.

Stephen's murder was a 'straightforward' case. it was clear quite quickly who was responsible. the police chose not to investigate because the local crime family was more important to them than doing their jobs.

did anyone tell suzy lamplugh's mother to keep quiet?
did anyone tell sara payne's mother to keep quiet?
does anyone tell jimmy Mizen's mother to stay out of the papers?
does anyone tell denise Fergus not to comment on her son's killers?
is brooke Kinsella told not to campaign after the murder of her brother?

no, is that because they are white and are allowed to be in the public eye?

if you don't want to hear about Mrs Lawrence, ignore any reports that mention her name